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Electronic Logbook Recommendations?
I’ve been using LogTen Pro for years but have got fed up with the exorbitant annual fees and don’t use most of it’s features. I’m purely Mac/iOS based and fly multi crew long haul. Any recommendations as an alternative please?
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Thanks ArrowFly, I briefly looked at mccPILOTLOG but gathered it required a Windows based PC, or Parallels or the likes if used with a Mac (that I don’t want to get into), I’ll have another look.
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If you use one of the main rostering systems such as AIMS/ecrew (they support others) then you don't actually need to bother keeping track each leg with an app on your phone although they do have one for both IOS and Android. The PC/Mac based application takes your airlines rostering log on details and you can download all of the historical flight details whenever it suits - reg, a/c type, block times plus it will calculate day/night. All you would need to do is to edit the flights to keep track of landings, approaches, P1/P2, PF/PM, remarks etc. There are various print format options if you want a hard copy.
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Crewlounge Pilotlog/MCC Pilotlog Scam
If you are considering MCC Pilot Log, here’s my experience:
I purchased MCC Pilot Log Enterprise Edition (Lifetime) 5 months ago because I had heard good reviews and the company’s web site pitched how there were no subscription fees. It cost me about $81.09 after the EUR conversion. The MCC Pilot Log web site states “We do not run a subscription plan. We have 3 editions with one-time fee for life-time use. The basic STD Edition is even FREE.”
During these 5 months I used the software, but suddenly the airline interface stopped working. I went to the support page to log a support ticket and was greeted with the following message:
“IMPORTANT NOTE : 10 years after the first release, and 2600 changes and fixes later, it was time to rebuild mccPILOTLOG on new fundaments.
mccPILOTLOG is still available to existing customers. New customers can still purchase mccPILOTLOG, if they want. However, we are no longer updating mccPILOTLOG. Instead, the team is focusing on the new logbook. We recommend all pilots to migrate to our new app CrewLounge PILOTLOG !”
After my initial disbelief and further investigation I found the FAQ page for people like me who had just purchased what was sold as a lifetime license. Below is an excerpt from the company’s FAQ page:
” I paid for mccPILOTLOG, do I have to pay again ?
We keep our word : your license for mccPILOTLOG remains valid ! You have paid for a lifetime use of mccPILOTLOG, so you can continue to using mccPILOTLOG as long as you want. We do not terminate mccPILOTLOG, your logbook continues to run. We do not terminate support, you continue to receiving the same support as before.
We only terminate further updating and bug fixing. Our team is now focusing on the CrewLounge AERO Suite, a completely new platform created with the latest coding technologies and security protocols. CrewLounge PILOTLOG, as part of the CrewLounge AERO Suite, is the new pilot logbook to replace mccPILOTLOG. CrewLounge PILOTLOG is subscription based, we do no longer offer one-time payments.
We invite all pilots with a lifetime license for mccPILOTLOG to migrate and enjoy the new CrewLounge AERO Suite ! We certainly understand that you are reluctant to switching to a subscription plan. We have GOOD news for you : You don’t !
Contrary to our competitors, that either ceased to exist, or that canceled all license keys and forced users into a subscription plan, we offer grandfathering rights to all users of mccPILOTLOG ! You can now migrate your lifetime license from mccPILOTLOG to CrewLounge PILOTLOG with a one-time contribution ! Buy 3 years and get Lifetime ! No subscription, no extra charges ! We will also pay the VAT for you !
That’s true ! All pilots with a lifetime license for mccPILOTLOG can now transfer their license to the new CrewLounge PILOTLOG application and be excluded from subscriptions, for lifetime! This offer is limited in time !
As a bonus, you receive a free 1-year license for the popular calendar app CrewLounge CONNECT (value 12.00 EUR) ! And, as an extra bonus, all PRO users (mccPILOTLOG) can now free upgrade to ENT (CrewLounge PILOTLOG) without being charged extra !
So, here is our offer :
(*) Pilots that purchased mccPILOTLOG in 2019, can upgrade with paying only 1-year subscription to CrewLounge AERO.”
Essentially, the lifetime software I just purchased will not be updated any more. Therefore, the airline interface will not be fixed. In other words, my software is now useless to me.
But wait, I checked out their upgrade offer and found that I will need to pay for 3 years up front to get the lifetime subscription that I already paid for 5 months ago. The price is 2.99 EUR/month or about $3.35/month as of today. A total of about $120.00. Believe it or not, I actually considered just paying the money and moving on with my life. So I downloaded the trial version of the new CrewLounge Pilot Log, imported my data and tried to download my schedule with the airline interface. Of course – it doesn’t work.
Overall, my experience with this company is extremely negative. I would not recommend MCC Pilot Log or CrewLounge Pilot Log. You will be disappointed and will end up having to pay for a real logbook program from a reputable company. Good luck folks. Learning is a change in behavior as a result of experience.
Also, attached is a copy of the ridiculous .pdf they sent me asking to take a "journey" with them. essentially they want me to "take one for their team"
I purchased MCC Pilot Log Enterprise Edition (Lifetime) 5 months ago because I had heard good reviews and the company’s web site pitched how there were no subscription fees. It cost me about $81.09 after the EUR conversion. The MCC Pilot Log web site states “We do not run a subscription plan. We have 3 editions with one-time fee for life-time use. The basic STD Edition is even FREE.”
During these 5 months I used the software, but suddenly the airline interface stopped working. I went to the support page to log a support ticket and was greeted with the following message:
“IMPORTANT NOTE : 10 years after the first release, and 2600 changes and fixes later, it was time to rebuild mccPILOTLOG on new fundaments.
mccPILOTLOG is still available to existing customers. New customers can still purchase mccPILOTLOG, if they want. However, we are no longer updating mccPILOTLOG. Instead, the team is focusing on the new logbook. We recommend all pilots to migrate to our new app CrewLounge PILOTLOG !”
After my initial disbelief and further investigation I found the FAQ page for people like me who had just purchased what was sold as a lifetime license. Below is an excerpt from the company’s FAQ page:
” I paid for mccPILOTLOG, do I have to pay again ?
We keep our word : your license for mccPILOTLOG remains valid ! You have paid for a lifetime use of mccPILOTLOG, so you can continue to using mccPILOTLOG as long as you want. We do not terminate mccPILOTLOG, your logbook continues to run. We do not terminate support, you continue to receiving the same support as before.
We only terminate further updating and bug fixing. Our team is now focusing on the CrewLounge AERO Suite, a completely new platform created with the latest coding technologies and security protocols. CrewLounge PILOTLOG, as part of the CrewLounge AERO Suite, is the new pilot logbook to replace mccPILOTLOG. CrewLounge PILOTLOG is subscription based, we do no longer offer one-time payments.
We invite all pilots with a lifetime license for mccPILOTLOG to migrate and enjoy the new CrewLounge AERO Suite ! We certainly understand that you are reluctant to switching to a subscription plan. We have GOOD news for you : You don’t !
Contrary to our competitors, that either ceased to exist, or that canceled all license keys and forced users into a subscription plan, we offer grandfathering rights to all users of mccPILOTLOG ! You can now migrate your lifetime license from mccPILOTLOG to CrewLounge PILOTLOG with a one-time contribution ! Buy 3 years and get Lifetime ! No subscription, no extra charges ! We will also pay the VAT for you !
That’s true ! All pilots with a lifetime license for mccPILOTLOG can now transfer their license to the new CrewLounge PILOTLOG application and be excluded from subscriptions, for lifetime! This offer is limited in time !
As a bonus, you receive a free 1-year license for the popular calendar app CrewLounge CONNECT (value 12.00 EUR) ! And, as an extra bonus, all PRO users (mccPILOTLOG) can now free upgrade to ENT (CrewLounge PILOTLOG) without being charged extra !
So, here is our offer :
- purchase 3 years of the new CrewLounge PILOTLOG software (*)
- get 10% immediate discount (for 3-year orders)
- get another 20% discount (that is, we will pay the VAT applicable to your country)
- transfer your Lifetime license to CrewLounge PILOTLOG (be excluded from subscriptions)
- upgrade to a higher Edition ENT or the new ENT+ (even if you are on PRO today)
- get 1 year free use of our popular roster app CrewLounge CONNECT
(*) Pilots that purchased mccPILOTLOG in 2019, can upgrade with paying only 1-year subscription to CrewLounge AERO.”
Essentially, the lifetime software I just purchased will not be updated any more. Therefore, the airline interface will not be fixed. In other words, my software is now useless to me.
But wait, I checked out their upgrade offer and found that I will need to pay for 3 years up front to get the lifetime subscription that I already paid for 5 months ago. The price is 2.99 EUR/month or about $3.35/month as of today. A total of about $120.00. Believe it or not, I actually considered just paying the money and moving on with my life. So I downloaded the trial version of the new CrewLounge Pilot Log, imported my data and tried to download my schedule with the airline interface. Of course – it doesn’t work.
Overall, my experience with this company is extremely negative. I would not recommend MCC Pilot Log or CrewLounge Pilot Log. You will be disappointed and will end up having to pay for a real logbook program from a reputable company. Good luck folks. Learning is a change in behavior as a result of experience.
Also, attached is a copy of the ridiculous .pdf they sent me asking to take a "journey" with them. essentially they want me to "take one for their team"
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Best electronic logbook out there?
Hi there,
So i am woundering if anyone has any recomendations regarding electronic logbooks? There are a lot to choose from out there, so i am woundering what to choose!
So i am woundering if anyone has any recomendations regarding electronic logbooks? There are a lot to choose from out there, so i am woundering what to choose!
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There are the two big ones LOGTEN X or PILOT LOG
I use Crew Lounge PILOT LOG which was formally known as MCC pilot log. It has both IOS and Android capability and works with both MAC and windows, with the added bonus of Cloud saves.
I use Crew Lounge PILOT LOG which was formally known as MCC pilot log. It has both IOS and Android capability and works with both MAC and windows, with the added bonus of Cloud saves.
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I made my own, and it was the best FOR ME for 20+ years!
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Electronic Logbook
Hi all, not sure this is the right place although hopefully fits in to "items that may be of interest to professional pilots".
Electronic logbooks - I've been using mccPilotlog for many years, and more recently I've switched to their newer version, PilotLog... However, they are DREADFUL! The system simply doesnt work so I want to switch ASAP.
Does anyone have any recommendations for a better electronic logbook please? My background - airline pilot c20years.
Thanks in advance!
Electronic logbooks - I've been using mccPilotlog for many years, and more recently I've switched to their newer version, PilotLog... However, they are DREADFUL! The system simply doesnt work so I want to switch ASAP.
Does anyone have any recommendations for a better electronic logbook please? My background - airline pilot c20years.
Thanks in advance!
I've been using an app called Wader for about the last year now. Seamless import from an excel spreadsheet and easy to use on the move. Best of all, it's free! Apparently it was developed by a pilot for one of the middle eastern airlines. It does have a 'social media' element to it but it's very easy to turn that all off and just use it as a great free online logbook/app.
