CAP371 - Minimum rest

[Mungo Man]

Regarding minimum rest away from base: in CAP371 Section B, 17.2 "Min rest will be at least as long as a) the preceeding duty or b) 12 hours, whichever is greater"

Then in 17.2.1 it talks about reducing rest by one hour if the rest earned is 12 hours.

My question is thus: if my preceeding duty is 11 hours, then yes min rest can be reduced from 12 to 11. But what if my preceeding duty is 11:30 and I have 'earned' 12 hours rest. Can that still be reduced by one hour or does the condition that min rest must equal preceeding duty kick in even though I'm away from base?

So to clarify, what is min rest away from base in suitable accom following a 11.5 hour duty?

[BOAC]

11 hours/10 available for rest in my book. I cannot see the query?

[OutsideCAS]

BOAC is right.....away from home base min. rest is 12 hours - can be reduced to 11 hours, a room with controllable light and temperature levels must be made available for occupancy for a minimum of 10 hours and any travelling to/from the hotel in excess of 30 mins must then be added to the rest period...or wording in CAP371 to that effect.

Oh, WRT your query of a duty period of 11hrs30mins.....that can be reduced but only to the min mentioned above of 11 hours and the other provisos as mentioned..........in fact, if you carried out a duty period of 1 minute then i believe i'm correct in saying the above still would apply !

[Mungo Man]

Yes I understand all of what you have said, but it seems that if you work between 11H01 min and 11H59 mins you still only get 11 hours rest. So this is the only time that min rest is less than the preceding duty. See once again 17.2.1 "Min rest will be at least as long as a) the preceeding duty or b) 12 hours, whichever is greater"

Basically I was under the impression that among other criteria, minimum rest must ALWAYS be no less than the preceding duty.

[411A]

Min rest, nearly always a contensious issue amonst FD crew.
At our company, I have delayed the departure to achieve that rest, as required...and then some.
No complaints from the head shed, either.
And, they had better not complain, because...the respective regulatory authority watches this very carefully...and I'm directly responsible, as the DirOps.
Legal...and safe.
The only way.

NB.
In a few cases, we use an augmented crew (an extra Captain or...a rated First Officer), who is also FE rated, to achieve the longer duty periods.
In these cases, a minimum 26 hours rest in hotac is mandated.
Without fail.
I will have it NO other way.
The head shed?
They say...'you are in charge, we don't interfere.'
I look after our guys, because...without them, no profits, and..delayed salaries.
The latter, a very bad combination, in the ad-hoc charter business.

[BOAC]

Originally Posted by MM

must ALWAYS be no less than the preceding duty.

- that is correct AND would pertain at home base (12 hrs) BUT this derived figure may then be reduced AWAY from base (where accommodation. etc......)

[Mungo Man]

Originally Posted by BOAC

- that is correct AND would pertain at home base (12 hrs) BUT this derived figure may then be reduced AWAY from base (where accommodation. etc......)

Eureka! Thanks BOAC, its clicked now and I understand the answer to my question. Thanks!

[Max Angle]

12 hours may be reduced BY THE COMPANY to 11 hours away from base if the rest earned is 12 hours. This is not a discretionary rest reduction but can be used routinely and be rostered that way.