Lost Logbook - How to unfreeze (UK CAA)
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Lost Logbook - How to unfreeze (UK CAA)
Hi,
second attempt at posting this, hopefully this one works.
Title sum it up really. Recently moved house and it appears that a box went to the tip which wasn't supposed to, this box contained my logbook.
Having searched previous threads, I haven't found one relating to the UK CAA. Has anyone had any experience with this - what's their procedure for dealing with idiots like myself?
I fly for BA, have done since leaving flight school, so the majority of my approx 2300 hrs are with them on the A320. I don't know what kind of records BA keep, haven't quite had the courage to confess my stupidity to the chief pilot yet!
I wouldn't be that worried right now but it's coming up to an LPC so I want to unfreeze my ATPL.
Anyway, thanks for any help!
Cheers
second attempt at posting this, hopefully this one works.
Title sum it up really. Recently moved house and it appears that a box went to the tip which wasn't supposed to, this box contained my logbook.
Having searched previous threads, I haven't found one relating to the UK CAA. Has anyone had any experience with this - what's their procedure for dealing with idiots like myself?
I fly for BA, have done since leaving flight school, so the majority of my approx 2300 hrs are with them on the A320. I don't know what kind of records BA keep, haven't quite had the courage to confess my stupidity to the chief pilot yet!
I wouldn't be that worried right now but it's coming up to an LPC so I want to unfreeze my ATPL.
Anyway, thanks for any help!
Cheers
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BusDriver,
I went through this a year ago when my logbook was destroyed in a house fire! Its not really that big a problem, just a little time consuming.
Buy a new logbook and on the summary page at the beginning fill this in to the best of your knowledge with the approx hrs hours you had before the loss. I'm guessing all your single engine/multi piston time will have to be done from memory..or contacting your previous flight school who should have records, authorisation sheets etc... But in the end all your looking is for an approximate PIC/Dual figure.
Your PICUS/Co-pilot hours on the bus can be obtained from your company who should have a record of all your flights since joining BA, or at least annual summarys, then you can roughly guess half co-pilot, half PICUS, and have a stab at night/day hours from that. It doesn't have to be exact just a good guess and as long as you meet the minimum ATPL criteria thats all the CAA will care about.
Once you have completed the summary section with all this information you need to book an appointment with a lawyer and make a sworn affidavit, were you basically swear to the best of your knowledge your summarised hours are correct. Should cost less than 100 quid.
Thats it, you just have to keep the affidavit safe and send it off to the CAA with your logbook for your upgrade.
Hope that helps.
DB
I went through this a year ago when my logbook was destroyed in a house fire! Its not really that big a problem, just a little time consuming.
Buy a new logbook and on the summary page at the beginning fill this in to the best of your knowledge with the approx hrs hours you had before the loss. I'm guessing all your single engine/multi piston time will have to be done from memory..or contacting your previous flight school who should have records, authorisation sheets etc... But in the end all your looking is for an approximate PIC/Dual figure.
Your PICUS/Co-pilot hours on the bus can be obtained from your company who should have a record of all your flights since joining BA, or at least annual summarys, then you can roughly guess half co-pilot, half PICUS, and have a stab at night/day hours from that. It doesn't have to be exact just a good guess and as long as you meet the minimum ATPL criteria thats all the CAA will care about.
Once you have completed the summary section with all this information you need to book an appointment with a lawyer and make a sworn affidavit, were you basically swear to the best of your knowledge your summarised hours are correct. Should cost less than 100 quid.
Thats it, you just have to keep the affidavit safe and send it off to the CAA with your logbook for your upgrade.
Hope that helps.
DB
I would have thought that a signed letter on company paper from your chief pilot would do the job actually, phone FCL at Gatwick and ask them before you go to the expense of a lawyer. I have always found them very reasonable and helpful.
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Max Angle,
This was the advice given to me by the CAA, I was in exactly the same position, going for my ATPL upgrade and working for easyJet.
The chief pilot cannot vouch for your previous flying experience outwiththe company, hence the affidavit. I was told by the CAA that only an affadavit would cut it and nothing else.
Of course you can always phone them and check, but I'm sure they will say exactly the same thing.
Cheers
This was the advice given to me by the CAA, I was in exactly the same position, going for my ATPL upgrade and working for easyJet.
The chief pilot cannot vouch for your previous flying experience outwiththe company, hence the affidavit. I was told by the CAA that only an affadavit would cut it and nothing else.
Of course you can always phone them and check, but I'm sure they will say exactly the same thing.
Cheers
OK, sounds like the lawyers get some more money in that case. Well worth photocopying a page of your logbook every 6 months and keeping somewhere else I would think. You don't need every page, just enough to provide some continuity. I use a computer now and send a copy of the file to my webmail once in a while as a backup.
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I might suggest also that they have a record of your hours prior to CPL issue as they will have been satisfied that you met the requirement for license issue. If you have flown for BA since then, it is unlikely there will be much of a shortfall as you say that the majority of your time airline time. I would guess in this case, a letter from the CP vouching for your airline hours would be enough.
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My sympathies, and I'm glad the posters above were able to give you some good advice.
This, BTW, is why I used to scan my logbooks every few months and put the electronic copies somewhere safe.
This, BTW, is why I used to scan my logbooks every few months and put the electronic copies somewhere safe.
