Long haul report times

[CJ1234]

Why do longhaul pilots have to report in earlier than short haul?

In my company they report in 15 minutes earlier.

Why?

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[TopBunk]

Could it be because:

1. There is more information to review in the briefing
2. They have to be at the aircraft side earlier because it takes longer to board 400 passengers than 100
3. It takes longer to pre-flight a larger aircraft?

Are you really a pilot?

[blue up]

Plotting charts with ETPs, oxygen escape routes, crew bags, currency exchange, etc etc.

15 minutes more isn't much.

[Intruder]

Our report time is the same whether across the Pacific or across town -- 1+30 prior to block-out.

[blue up]

1 hour for SH, 1:15 for longhaul 757/767. UK charter ops.

[YYZBeacher]

HE?

Does "He" mean the poisonous rants of the UK's one and only male menopausal Rainboe ?

If you work with a line - ask internally - then you'll find out. Easy really.

[Rainboe]

What have I got to do with this, are you an idiot or do you just like getting abusive about people? Extraordinary!

MODERATOR- HAVE THE RULES CHANGED? DO I ASSUME NOW UNINSTIGATED PERSONAL ABUSE LIKE THIS IS AUTHORISED NOW? WHAT FUN I WILL HAVE STARTING TODAY!

[411A]

One hour, has always been one hour, and is now...one hour.
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OTOH, some junior pilots dilly-dally with their time...hard-nosed Captains keep these guys in line...make no mistake.

As in... 'get the lead out, or you will be replaced by the standby.'
Crew scheduling tells 'em the same.
Sooner or later (usually sooner) these guys get the message....or, they are pounding the pavement in search of a job.

NB.
The vast majority of junior guys are on the ball...and are an absolute pleasure to fly with...every day of the week.
Full marks for these folks!

[Occy]

TopBunk, can you explain how it takes longer to pre-flight a larger aircraft?

[Der absolute Hammer]

Takes longer to do the walk around?

[TopBunk]

how it takes longer to pre-flight a larger aircraft

it's bigger! As in it is further from the Flight Deck to the ramp, further round the perimeter with more things to look at and check (eg 18 wheels, 16 brake units and 4 engines vs. 6 wheels, 4 brake units and 2 engines). It's not rocket science

[javelin]

It's simple - we, as the Senior fleet demand more respect for the awesome task ahead.

We also have to fit our custom earplugs against the constant whinging of the Colonials about ride/chop/turbulence/ball scores etc etc

[Occy]

Wow, thanks for clearing that up. That truly was rocket science. Everyone pay attention - if you are flying with top bunk on a 4 engine jet, be sure to be at briefing 1 minute and 33 seconds early so he has time to inspect those 2 extra bogeys and engines on the walk-around and not delay the flight.

[TopBunk]

Occy

You asked a question, you got a response.

You don't like it, you might even be funny if you were clever enough to understand the answers given (of which the walkround was only one part, btw).

Now go away and abuse yourself somehwere else with your massive 4 posts in a year, kid.

[Rainboe]

It'd enough to put you off bothering to answer some of the questions. Some ignoramus smart arse with a mysterious and unknown point to make- it denigrates the whole forum. It really would reflect better if the moderators would wield the scissors a bit more on such intellectually challenged idiots!

I detect an Oztralian. The main feature is the undoubted rudeness and resort to appalling abuse (with expletives!). Just look at the forum- it's been shut down at least once already because of the effing and blinding going on. I daren't look anymore.

[K.Whyjelly]

Originally Posted by Occy

TopBunk, can you explain how it takes longer to pre-flight a larger aircraft?

Talking from my own experiences Occy, the walk around does take longer than a single aisle aircraft due to the size of the aircraft..............not a huge amount but it does eat into that 15 minutes extra. Where the extra time IS needed is on the flight deck. Routes that are flown every day on the short/mid haul network normally have a company generated route in the FMGS. This means the crew punch in, for example, ABC33 and the whole flight plan except for departure rwy and SID along with arrival rwy and STAR are auto generated. Entry of relevant rwy data takes a minute or so, but longhaul flights because of the daily changing NAT system and the possibility of random routes don't have this facility. After entering the city pairs you then have to join up all the dots from departure to arrival along with the rwy SID/STAR info. Once you have built up the flight plan and checked it you then have to manually enter the winds aloft and temperature at your cruise altitude along with winds at levels that may be part of a step climb later in the route. This is so the magic box can give you a best guess at flight time and fuel burn. For example if you start at F360 with a step climb to F380 and a final step to F400 you have to, (at my company at least), enter the data for all three levels. Try this one some time and see how long it takes........on the scratch pad enter260/30/400 and enter, then 270/40/380 enter, and then 280/50/400. Next type in -51/360 and enter in the temp field. Don't forget to enter the temp at the new cruise level at the step climb point Now enter all the wind and temp values for up to 20 waypoints (sometimes more sometimes less) and see the extra time melt away. Then manually enter lat/longs of ETP's and any other waypoints required. Once all this is done the whole Oceanic sector has to be checked so into true and read off tracks and distances from the flight plan as well as checking each all Oceanic waypoints and making sure the stored co-ords are correct. As well as all this good stuff going on you are checking the tech logs for aircraft status, ETOPS dispatch, RVSM, MNPS/RNP restrictions.

This is obviously achievable to a well trained crew but take into account the hassle of getting through security and just getting to your aircraft and sometimes the whole extra 15mins just ain't enough

[ONCALL]

[Nicholas49]

Occy- you really have a nerve to ask a supposedly legitimate question and then take the p**s out of an answer from an experienced professional. What is your problem exactly?

K Why: thanks for your post - I had never realised there was quite so much to do for long-haul flights compared with short-haul sectors.

[411A]

I had never realised there was quite so much to do for long-haul flights compared with short-haul sectors.

There is, and always will be...so, it takes a bit longer.
Still, if guys show up on time, do their preflight business, it ain't that bad.

[CJ1234]

Could it be because:

1. There is more information to review in the briefing
2. They have to be at the aircraft side earlier because it takes longer to board 400 passengers than 100
3. It takes longer to pre-flight a larger aircraft?

Are you really a pilot?

Yes, it probably could. But don't start getting angry - that's WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION - because I wanted a clear series of possible reasons. I'm sorry if my question demonstrates that I am on a much lower intellectual plane than you.

Some ignoramus smart arse with a mysterious and unknown point to make

I do hope that's not pointed at me Rainboe, because that would be most insulting and unnecessary - I was only asking a question and however simple it turned out to be, I didn't mean to offend anyone (or for that matter cast doubt on my own professional ability, which TopBunk unnecessarily and insultingly did with the above quotation).

Thank you for KY Jelly and others for answering my question without sarcasm, bitterness or hatred. I now understand.

I've said it before: I really think some of you need to calm down. It's a forum. It was a question. If you thought it was too simplistic for you, then move on. Read something else. I didn't want to force anyone to answer. I didn't want to upset anyone. If you see an innocent question and it angers you, press the little 'x' at the top of your screen and go and have a nice coffee.

And chill the out.

Disappointed as usual,
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