Is this possible?
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Is this possible?
I was told this 'story'!! by a friend of mine and wondered whether it was just that, ie, a 'story' or whether it could have been true.
A commercial airliner inbound to a major uk airport on a domestic flight within the last couple of weeks. The visibility is poor and the captain addressess the passengers to let them know they may not get to their destination due to fog, and also that the nearby alternates are also fog bound so they may have to return to their point of departure. Now this is the point I find hard to believe. The Captain states the first officer is not qualified to land the aircraft in poor viz and it requires both pilots to hold the necessary qualification?? A passenger who is a CPL with the necessary tick on his licence offers his services and sits in the right hand seat for the landing taking over from the first officer. (Don't know if he worked for the same airline or not).Seems like a load of bo--ocks to me, but would it be possible?
A commercial airliner inbound to a major uk airport on a domestic flight within the last couple of weeks. The visibility is poor and the captain addressess the passengers to let them know they may not get to their destination due to fog, and also that the nearby alternates are also fog bound so they may have to return to their point of departure. Now this is the point I find hard to believe. The Captain states the first officer is not qualified to land the aircraft in poor viz and it requires both pilots to hold the necessary qualification?? A passenger who is a CPL with the necessary tick on his licence offers his services and sits in the right hand seat for the landing taking over from the first officer. (Don't know if he worked for the same airline or not).Seems like a load of bo--ocks to me, but would it be possible?
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Your friend probably referred to the "incident" discussed here: http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...-red-face.html
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Well lets see.
Captain watches a few pax get on and notices one of his colleagues dead heading home from a weekend away. Waves at Skipper and sits in his seat down the back like a good boy.
A little later the fog appears and the skipper now realises that today's F/O is not LVP qualified. However, the sub-load one in the back is. So, he calls the CC1 and asks her to check if matey down the back is legal to fly, within duty hours if needed. He says yes so the skipper asks if he'll pop up front. Said F/O swaps seats and landing completed.
Under the above circumstances, providing he contacted Ops and they callee crewing, for example, it's perfectly legal, safe and good initiative.
Quite lucky as well.
Captain watches a few pax get on and notices one of his colleagues dead heading home from a weekend away. Waves at Skipper and sits in his seat down the back like a good boy.
A little later the fog appears and the skipper now realises that today's F/O is not LVP qualified. However, the sub-load one in the back is. So, he calls the CC1 and asks her to check if matey down the back is legal to fly, within duty hours if needed. He says yes so the skipper asks if he'll pop up front. Said F/O swaps seats and landing completed.
Under the above circumstances, providing he contacted Ops and they callee crewing, for example, it's perfectly legal, safe and good initiative.
Quite lucky as well.
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Actually the airline posted on facebook and I happened to be online. So I offered my services to monitor the landing via a web cam which had prudently been installed just 10 days before.
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UK airline to UK airport- both pilots non-AWOPs qualified. 2 pilots same company dead heading are. Destination foggs out. Inflight crew swap, AWOPs landing completed. Who needs company permission? As long as nobody has drunk alcohol, perfectly feasible. The aim of the game is to get the job done, legally and safely. Better'n your story 66!
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Sounds perfectly plausible. The captain, f/o or possibly both may not have had an AWOPS sign off in the last simulator check (lack of time normally). Therefore released onto the line cat1 only. Big deal! It's a gamble by the airline training department that the chaps won't have to fly a cat2/3 during the following 6 months. Sadly in this case they could have done with that tick in the box (really not a hard tick to get though).
Then a company pilot who does have valid awops is on board... That's lucky if you ask me!
Then a company pilot who does have valid awops is on board... That's lucky if you ask me!