Unfreezing the JAA ATPL

[King Chav]

Hi guys n gals

I last took an LPC back in August, but since then have left that company and will be starting with a new one soon (same a/c type).

I currently have a JAA CPL/IR, issued in the UK, and meet the hours requirements to unfreeze this and get my ATPL.

As I understand it, I just need to do the ATPL skills test in the sim, but seeing as I have already done an LPC a few months back, is it possible to do another one with this new company, and do the skills test too so I can get the ATPL issued ??

Any ideas or do I have to wait til Aug 2009 ? Hope not

Cheers

[Propellerhead]

You will almost certainly have to do an lpc with your new company anyway - ask them. Did you have the hours before you did your last lpc? - if so that should be ok.

[King Chav]

Thanks for the info guys.

Yes, I had the hours before the last LPC. Just seems strange that they didn't do the ATPL skills test part when I was there, seeing as I was being employed as Captain. Oh well.

Thanks again.

[mad_jock]

As a matter of interest whats the extra bits you need to do with the LPC to get signed off.

I did mine when they just required an LPC sign off

[Flying Farmer]

A hand flown raw data ILS was the only additional item for me.

[Aussie]

You laugh, but you would be suprised how many Captains would sweat if they knew they had to handfly a Raw data ILS!

[underread east]

LPC won't suffice, as mentioned you need an LST, whihch in effect is a couple of extra items (including hand flown raw data ILS) and a couple of extra bits of paperwork (see LASORs). I wouldn't have thought your new company will balk at including these in your initial LPC for them. Takes an extra 5mins and a little bit more box ticking for the TRE. However it does cost to change CPL to ATPL, so check they will pay too!

[Flying Farmer]

Yes you can count 100 hours of sim time, of which I think so many hours can be FNPT time, check Lasors.

It has to be an LPC the OPC is just a company check.

[Flying Farmer]

Get an LPC done out of sequence

[Coffin Corner]

I guess I could do, but by this time next year I'll be ready for command assessment so no rush, I just have to make sure I don't screw up the next OPC/LPC

Just checked LASORS, amazingly I navigated lasors without a hitch, is there a prize for that?
25hrs of FNPT II time can be counted in the 100

Thanks for your help

[ABO944]

Digging up an old thread here, but ...

I just did my ATPL skills test as well as my LPC at the same time.

I have 1430TT and over 170 hours sim (only 30 FNPTII), so I just want to check that this is sufficient for me to apply for my ATPL.

I was reading an older thread where it stated you must have 1500 hours before applying, but then after reading Lasors just now, I have started to confuse myself

Can I go ahead and send in my application ?

Thanking you

[potkettleblack]

You must have met the hours requirements IN FULL prior to undertaking the LST as well. That is covered in LASORS G1.4 (I am working off an old copy on my pc so references might have shifted).

Your sim hours look ok to me. You can include 100 in total so 1430 plus 100 = 1530. Your 100 sim hours will be split 25 FNTP2 and presumably the other 75 are in a level D full motion sim or aeroplane Flight Simulator as its referred to in LASORS?

[ABO944]

Yes, that's correct - Level D simulator.

So it looks like i'm good to go then.

Thanks very much.

[Volk]

SO if I understand correctly then this should be enough for unfreeze ATPL- I have 1500 flying time which of 1250 is multipilot and I have 80 hours in FFS. I have terrible shortage of PIC time sense I have been flying only in airline as officer after flightschool. To complete all requierments I´m missing only 100 hrs PIC time!
Have anyone experience with such kind of problem? What I should do?
I have sim in Sept and I very keen on taking ATP skill test together with my PC!

[Volk]

To unfreeze JAA ATPL

If I have 1500 hrs total flying time plus 80 hrs in FFS and fulfilled all other requierment but not PIC time which I should have 250 hrs but I have 150 hrs- can I apply for ATPL?
After flight school I went directly to airline and I havent got a change for PIC flying. I have sim in Sept and I really would want to do skill test together with my PC.
Have anyone have such situation? What you would suggest?

[Aussie]

Yes you can fly the required command hrs as PICUS, pilot in command under supervision...

Good luck

[Volk]

PICUS from right seat

OK- thanks!
But how does it exactly works- do you know? Do you need special program for this or its enough to fly with instructor and he sign to your log ... ?
Can I write some sim time as PICUS if I were flying on left seat half of session?

[potkettleblack]

As you fly on normal everyday line operations generally the legs YOU fly you log as p1/s or PICUS. BEFORE you log these legs as PICUS you should check both your OPS manual and with the captain to ensure that this is acceptable. Then at the end of the days flying you should ask the captain to initial your logbook. Failing this some authorities will accept a written letter from your companys chief pilot stating that they have reviewed your hours and that they are correct.

Sim time does not count towards your flying hours. You can keep a note in a memo column of these if you so wish but the only thing they count for is licence issue.

[victor charlie]

unfreeze

btw, is there a maximum amount of years set for 'defrosting' your frozen ATPL..?? I mean, if you don't manage to unfreeze your license within a set time, do you have to take all the ATPL theory exams again or something...?

thnks

[Volk]

ATP theory valid

Actually I checked that some two years ago from JAR-FCL and I´m 100% sure that remember correctly as long as you keep flying (means your CPL is valid) your ATP theory is valid but if your CPL expires then (and that one I don´t remember that correctly) your ATP theory expires in "X" years.
But exact answer you get from JAR-FCL.