How do I log line-training?
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How do I log line-training?
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Can't find the answer to this potentially simple question - how do I log line-training on a multicrew aircraft? Is it dual and also co-pilot? Or just co-pilot? Or something completely different!
Any thoughts appreciated.
Can't find the answer to this potentially simple question - how do I log line-training on a multicrew aircraft? Is it dual and also co-pilot? Or just co-pilot? Or something completely different!
Any thoughts appreciated.
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I logged all sectors i was PF as PICUS and all sectors i was PNF as co-pilot. Once type rating is issued you're no longer in training as far as the CAA are concerned
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You log them as Co Pilot.
PICUS when PF? In my company you need company approval to log them as PICUS. Normally only given to pilots about to move seat...
Be careful logging PICUS hours every time you are PF, most authorities require PIC to sign all PICUS hours flown.
Check JAR FCL 1.080 for further details.
(1) Pilot-in-command flight time
(i) The holder of a licence may log as pilot-in-command time all of the flight time during which he is the pilot-incommand.
(ii) The applicant for or the holder of a pilot licence may log as pilotin-command time all solo flight time and flight time as student pilot-in-command provided that such SPIC time is countersigned by the instructor.
(iii) The holder of an instructor rating may log as pilot-in-command all flight time during which he acts as an instructor in an aeroplane.
(iv) The holder of an examiner’s authorisation may log as pilot-incommand all flight time during which he occupies a pilot’s seat and acts as an examiner in an aeroplane.
(v) A co-pilot acting as pilot-incommand under the supervision of the pilot-in-command on an aeroplane on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aeroplane or as required by JAR–OPS provided such pilot-in-command time under supervision (see (c)(5)) is countersigned by the pilot-in-command.
(vi) If the holder of a licence carries out a number of flights upon the same day returning on each occasion to the same place of departure and the interval between successive flights does not exceed thirty minutes, such series of flights may be recorded as a single entry.
(2) Co-pilot flight time The holder of a pilot licence occupying a pilot seat as co-pilot may log all flight time as co-pilot flight time on an aeroplane on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aeroplane, or the regulations under which the flight is conducted. (3) Cruise relief co-pilot flight time
PICUS when PF? In my company you need company approval to log them as PICUS. Normally only given to pilots about to move seat...
Be careful logging PICUS hours every time you are PF, most authorities require PIC to sign all PICUS hours flown.
Check JAR FCL 1.080 for further details.
(1) Pilot-in-command flight time
(i) The holder of a licence may log as pilot-in-command time all of the flight time during which he is the pilot-incommand.
(ii) The applicant for or the holder of a pilot licence may log as pilotin-command time all solo flight time and flight time as student pilot-in-command provided that such SPIC time is countersigned by the instructor.
(iii) The holder of an instructor rating may log as pilot-in-command all flight time during which he acts as an instructor in an aeroplane.
(iv) The holder of an examiner’s authorisation may log as pilot-incommand all flight time during which he occupies a pilot’s seat and acts as an examiner in an aeroplane.
(v) A co-pilot acting as pilot-incommand under the supervision of the pilot-in-command on an aeroplane on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aeroplane or as required by JAR–OPS provided such pilot-in-command time under supervision (see (c)(5)) is countersigned by the pilot-in-command.
(vi) If the holder of a licence carries out a number of flights upon the same day returning on each occasion to the same place of departure and the interval between successive flights does not exceed thirty minutes, such series of flights may be recorded as a single entry.
(2) Co-pilot flight time The holder of a pilot licence occupying a pilot seat as co-pilot may log all flight time as co-pilot flight time on an aeroplane on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aeroplane, or the regulations under which the flight is conducted. (3) Cruise relief co-pilot flight time
Last edited by POL.777; 24th Jun 2008 at 22:56. Reason: JAR FCL 1.080 reference
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If you're flying for an operator (read, airline), then you log the time spent as Pilot in Command as PIC. If you're not the Pilot in Command, then don't log the experience as Pilot in Command.
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sorry guys im a bit confused now...
im not in an airline just yet so forgive me if im mistaken..
i would have thought if your in the right hand seat all flying would be co-pilot flying. only once in the left seat can you log time in the PIC?
my understanding is the captin makes all the decissions reguardless if he is the one flying or not, so unless you have to relieve him of his duties your alwase co-pilot..
im not in an airline just yet so forgive me if im mistaken..
i would have thought if your in the right hand seat all flying would be co-pilot flying. only once in the left seat can you log time in the PIC?
my understanding is the captin makes all the decissions reguardless if he is the one flying or not, so unless you have to relieve him of his duties your alwase co-pilot..
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Nashers. You are on the right track there.
PIC = Capt.
If the F/O logs hours as PICUS (ie. to reach 250 hours PIC time to unfreeze the ATPL) the capt has to co-sign the PICUS hours in the log. Normally you need company approval for PICUS hours, because it is related to your upgrade. Don't worry, when that time comes they will tell you (and maybe even roster you) for PICUS flights where you make all the decisions under supervision of the capt.
PIC = Capt.
If the F/O logs hours as PICUS (ie. to reach 250 hours PIC time to unfreeze the ATPL) the capt has to co-sign the PICUS hours in the log. Normally you need company approval for PICUS hours, because it is related to your upgrade. Don't worry, when that time comes they will tell you (and maybe even roster you) for PICUS flights where you make all the decisions under supervision of the capt.
