Can Pilot non flying log the landings?
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Can Pilot non flying log the landings?
Simple question can the pilot non flying log the landings? I think you can only log an approach or the landing if you did it yourself but, I could not find any regulation about that. If somebody know please post and post the evidence (link to the regulation) as well.
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You can log the sector as PNF or P2 but, you can't log the landing as you did not do it otherwise theoretically you would get 2 landings for 1 approach 
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You land it, you can log it!!
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!!You land it, you can log it!!
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What an utterly extraordinary amazing question! It's on a par with those pilots who think they can log simulator time as 'flying time' as they had a jolly sweaty session.
From the nature of some of these questions that come up about these things, I sometimes think there are pilots amongst us who are charlatans and not to be trusted. How shameful that somebody would think they can log landings when they didn't do them! Who are these people- and then want it in black and white that they can't do this! Breathtaking.
From the nature of some of these questions that come up about these things, I sometimes think there are pilots amongst us who are charlatans and not to be trusted. How shameful that somebody would think they can log landings when they didn't do them! Who are these people- and then want it in black and white that they can't do this! Breathtaking.
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Not entirely sure what you mean by "log it?"
You make an entry in your log book for the flight sector you undertake, but I haven't seen a column that requires you to enter who did the take off and landing. Nevertheless there may be logbooks with a space for this type of entry.
The person who physically carries out the takeoff or landing manouever is the person who is credited with it. In airline operations the Captain is normally required to carry out at least one take off and landing every 28 days to maintain currency. For F/O's the minimum requirement is usually 3 take offs and landings within the previous 90 days. This information would be recorded on the Operations return or some similiar document.
There are situations when a PNF carries out the landing. For example during a monitored approach. Of course at that point the PNF becomes the PF, however the sector would be logged as PNF or P2 for a First officer.
In summary if your paws are responsible for carrying out the landing, then it is marked down on the statutory document as you having done it. Somebody else carrying out the landing would not satisfy any recency qualification with the exception of those required for Autoland recency, when the credit applies to both individuals.
I am astonished that you asked this question over a year ago, and somebody answered it the same day, and only now did you acknowledge the fact!
You make an entry in your log book for the flight sector you undertake, but I haven't seen a column that requires you to enter who did the take off and landing. Nevertheless there may be logbooks with a space for this type of entry.
The person who physically carries out the takeoff or landing manouever is the person who is credited with it. In airline operations the Captain is normally required to carry out at least one take off and landing every 28 days to maintain currency. For F/O's the minimum requirement is usually 3 take offs and landings within the previous 90 days. This information would be recorded on the Operations return or some similiar document.
There are situations when a PNF carries out the landing. For example during a monitored approach. Of course at that point the PNF becomes the PF, however the sector would be logged as PNF or P2 for a First officer.
In summary if your paws are responsible for carrying out the landing, then it is marked down on the statutory document as you having done it. Somebody else carrying out the landing would not satisfy any recency qualification with the exception of those required for Autoland recency, when the credit applies to both individuals.
I am astonished that you asked this question over a year ago, and somebody answered it the same day, and only now did you acknowledge the fact!
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If "Nirvana" is located under the JAA sphere there is no requirement to log landings (FCL 1.080).
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Bealezebub,
you are right. Some log books have a space for T/O and Landings, others don't. To tell the truth, I've never bothered with it and my columns remain blank. After my first airline job, my subsequent airlines that I moved to (2 so far) did not ask me how many landings I completed as a PNF or as PF.
you are right. Some log books have a space for T/O and Landings, others don't. To tell the truth, I've never bothered with it and my columns remain blank. After my first airline job, my subsequent airlines that I moved to (2 so far) did not ask me how many landings I completed as a PNF or as PF.
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When I worked for SIA logging sectors and landing was critical for FOs working their way to wards qualifications for command, it wasn't just hours.
The A310 guys could get the required sectors/landings in a much, much shorter time than a B744 FO, for example, whilst the B744 FO could get the hours easily.
Got called to the office once, "Why have you allowed yourself to go out of recency, no landings for over a month?", "Not so" said I, as I'd done two landing on my last four sector block, SIN-AMS-JFK and back. Turned out the FO had regularly been waiting for the captain to sign the voyage report and then out came the white stuff and he carefully awarded himself the sectors. Cost him very dearly!
The A310 guys could get the required sectors/landings in a much, much shorter time than a B744 FO, for example, whilst the B744 FO could get the hours easily.
Got called to the office once, "Why have you allowed yourself to go out of recency, no landings for over a month?", "Not so" said I, as I'd done two landing on my last four sector block, SIN-AMS-JFK and back. Turned out the FO had regularly been waiting for the captain to sign the voyage report and then out came the white stuff and he carefully awarded himself the sectors. Cost him very dearly!
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Already answered.
If there is a failure then of course somebodies paws will be on the controls ready to take over. If that then results in a manual landing, the landing was carried out by the individual pilot.
In summary if your paws are responsible for carrying out the landing, then it is marked down on the statutory document as you having done it. Somebody else carrying out the landing would not satisfy any recency qualification with the exception of those required for Autoland recency, when the credit applies to both individuals.
