Logging multi crew in a single crew certified aeroplane ?
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Logging multi crew in a single crew certified aeroplane ?
Hi
A couple of questions if anyone can help please.
1) Where can I look to see if an aeroplane is certified under JAA for single crew ops ?
2) If said aeroplane is certified for single crew ops but is operated multi crew on a AOC on public transport flights can F/O log those hours and use them towards full ATPL ?
Aircraft in question is a Beech 1900.
Ta muchly.
Buzz
A couple of questions if anyone can help please.
1) Where can I look to see if an aeroplane is certified under JAA for single crew ops ?
2) If said aeroplane is certified for single crew ops but is operated multi crew on a AOC on public transport flights can F/O log those hours and use them towards full ATPL ?
Aircraft in question is a Beech 1900.
Ta muchly.
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Hi Buzz
If the a/c is operated 2 crew under the terms of the AOC then all flight time when operating with 2 crew can be logged as such and will count towards ATPL. That is of course as long as you are type rated on the a/c in question and your OPC, I/R etc are all curent.
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If the a/c is operated 2 crew under the terms of the AOC then all flight time when operating with 2 crew can be logged as such and will count towards ATPL. That is of course as long as you are type rated on the a/c in question and your OPC, I/R etc are all curent.
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I am more than happy to be contradicted on this but I seem to remember that an acquaintance flew the King Air as co-pilot (multi-crew) but as the A/C is single crew category he could log the hours but they couldnt count towards him obtaining his ATPL. (even though he was rated on it).
Good luck with your query.
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Beech 1900 is a single pilot aeroplane in JAR land. If required to be operated multi-crew, the hours may be logged as multi-crew time and may be counted towards the 500 required to unfreeze an ATPL. However, an ATPL cannot be unfrozen on a single pilot aeroplane. It's all in LASORS on the CAA website and from memory, in JAR-FCL 1.220.
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Reference is given to JAR-FCL.
1st Problem - Operator needs to have operation with two pilots in his OM-A and OM-B approved by authority.
2nd Problem - Acceptance of these hours to your NAA.
IMHO - go and talk to your people of the NAA. My opinion about these hours? Stay out of these planes as F/O if operation has no manuals and procedures in place. Worthless hours in the end when it comes to prove it.
We tried several guys with these hours - 3'000 to 4'000 hours with a lot of these B1900 hours as F/O. NAA says "no-no".
Good luck.
1st Problem - Operator needs to have operation with two pilots in his OM-A and OM-B approved by authority.
2nd Problem - Acceptance of these hours to your NAA.
IMHO - go and talk to your people of the NAA. My opinion about these hours? Stay out of these planes as F/O if operation has no manuals and procedures in place. Worthless hours in the end when it comes to prove it.
We tried several guys with these hours - 3'000 to 4'000 hours with a lot of these B1900 hours as F/O. NAA says "no-no".
Good luck.
