Lightning Strikes?
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Lightning Strikes?
An aircraft went tech the other day because of a lightning strike. and has left me wondering a few things 
1. What is it like in the flightdeck? is there a blinding white light followed by chaos or do a few warning lights come on and the flightdeck are put into action to work through any warnings?
2. Whats it like from the cabin, again is it a bright flash followed by being pitched into darkness and mass passneger panic or what ???????????????
3. What problems are associated with lightning strikes such as airframe, avionics and so on. I thought if an object had no contact with earth could not get electricuted or is it different. Any answers to explain any of the above would be greatly appreciated.
1. What is it like in the flightdeck? is there a blinding white light followed by chaos or do a few warning lights come on and the flightdeck are put into action to work through any warnings?
2. Whats it like from the cabin, again is it a bright flash followed by being pitched into darkness and mass passneger panic or what ???????????????
3. What problems are associated with lightning strikes such as airframe, avionics and so on. I thought if an object had no contact with earth could not get electricuted or is it different. Any answers to explain any of the above would be greatly appreciated.
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From the cabin I can confirm that during daylight hours it is just a fairly bright flash followed immediately by a loud bang which can be felt through the structure of the aircraft (ie the floor of the cabin). Quite an interesting experience 
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two lightning strikes up to now:
First one in descent to Rome. Came out of the low buildup we were passing at about 1 mile!!! The only thing that happended was that the static which had built up during the preceding two minutes went away. And a flash pretty much the same as when hitting a speed trap. No sound but I could feel it on the controls. Later we found out that it entered at the nose wheel bay traveled along the lower side of the fuselage and exited on the elevator taking two static wicks with it.
Second one was at night. Only rain on the radar. St. Elmos fire on the windshield then from the right side of the aircraft a blinding white flash. Found static wicks missing their end parts on the right wing trailing edge after landing.
Lost no instruments - nothing
Lately I was flying an aircraft hit by lightning the previous day. Found a couple of inop instrument backlights and the GE found a couple of light fuses burnt.
Externals showed colour popped away from some rivets.
I hope my lightning encounters continue like this.
First one in descent to Rome. Came out of the low buildup we were passing at about 1 mile!!! The only thing that happended was that the static which had built up during the preceding two minutes went away. And a flash pretty much the same as when hitting a speed trap. No sound but I could feel it on the controls. Later we found out that it entered at the nose wheel bay traveled along the lower side of the fuselage and exited on the elevator taking two static wicks with it.
Second one was at night. Only rain on the radar. St. Elmos fire on the windshield then from the right side of the aircraft a blinding white flash. Found static wicks missing their end parts on the right wing trailing edge after landing.
Lost no instruments - nothing
Lately I was flying an aircraft hit by lightning the previous day. Found a couple of inop instrument backlights and the GE found a couple of light fuses burnt.
Externals showed colour popped away from some rivets.
I hope my lightning encounters continue like this.
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Took a lightning strike about 3 yrs ago, in a 146 with the F/O PF and still on climb. I was filling in the tech log and became aware that the F/O had ducked. This was followed by a loud bang.
F/O said the bolt hit the fuselage near the wiper post. No aircraft services lost.
After landing (we returned to departure aerodrome some 60nm behind us) Cabin Crew advised that they and pax observed a "fire ball" pass down the starboard side of the fuselage, just outside.
F/O said the bolt hit the fuselage near the wiper post. No aircraft services lost.
After landing (we returned to departure aerodrome some 60nm behind us) Cabin Crew advised that they and pax observed a "fire ball" pass down the starboard side of the fuselage, just outside.
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With regard to my lightning strike as pax, it appeared to strike the fuselage some distance behind the flight deck - would the flight/cabin crew actually have any indication that this had happened? I'm curious as there were no PA's from the flight deck - I would've expected just a few words to say what had happened, nothing to worry about etc, as it could be a bit distressing if you were a nervous flyer. It was at a fairly high workload situation however - squally showers on descent quite close in to Gatwick, so perhaps not top of the crews priority list to be doing PA's...
Also, if you witness such events, or see something that looks out of place should you inform the cabin crew? I'm never too sure if I should point out things like that as I don't like to look like I think I know better than the crew
Also, if you witness such events, or see something that looks out of place should you inform the cabin crew? I'm never too sure if I should point out things like that as I don't like to look like I think I know better than the crew
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"Also, if you witness such events, or see something that looks out of place should you inform the cabin crew? I'm never too sure if I should point out things like that as I don't like to look like I think I know better than the crew "
Reminds me of the "Twilight Zone" episode where William Shatner saw a gremlin tearing up the wing in flight. Nobody believed him until they landed and looked at the wing.
Great show, did they ever have that one in Europe?
Seriously though, if you see something you are concerned about let us know. I'd rather explain something to you than be surprised by something you already knew about and I didn't. Just don't ask me the name of the river down below. They are all the Mud River if you really need to know!
"Reminds me of the "Twilight Zone" episode where William Shatner saw a gremlin tearing up the wing in flight. Nobody believed him until they landed and looked at the wing.
Great show, did they ever have that one in Europe?
Seriously though, if you see something you are concerned about let us know. I'd rather explain something to you than be surprised by something you already knew about and I didn't. Just don't ask me the name of the river down below. They are all the Mud River if you really need to know!
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Fairly good paper here on strikes with plenty of reference material http://www.lightning.ece.ufl.edu/PDF...encespaper.pdf
Video of a 747 taking off getting struck http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/lofive...hp/t44816.html
Video of a 747 taking off getting struck http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/lofive...hp/t44816.html
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I thought if an object had no contact with earth could not get electricuted or is it different.
Think of birds standing on high voltage cables. They aren't electricuted because their body is a fairly poor conductor. The electrons gain nothing from taking a detour though their body, they will follow the easiest path (the path of least resistance). If the bird were to stretch it's wing out and touch another wire of different potential, and there is sufficient current to overcome it's resistance (likely in high voltage cables) then it will fry!
An aircraft will behave like a Faraday Cage, causing the induced current to flow through the airframe and not it's occupants.
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1. What is it like in the flightdeck? is there a blinding white light followed by chaos or do a few warning lights come on and the flightdeck are put into action to work through any warnings?
2. Whats it like from the cabin, again is it a bright flash followed by being pitched into darkness and mass passneger panic or what ???????????????
2. Whats it like from the cabin, again is it a bright flash followed by being pitched into darkness and mass passneger panic or what ???????????????
3. What problems are associated with lightning strikes such as airframe, avionics and so on.
A positive lightning strike, somewhat rare as it is estimated to be only 10% of the strikes, is about 10 times bigger than a negative strike and it tends to knock stuff off the airplane such as parts of ailerons, flaps, antennae, etc.
And aircraft that are made solely of composite material may be at risk. In Germany a few years ago, a composite sailplane took what is thought to be a positive strike. The strike BLEW up the sailplane. Fortunately both occupants were wearing chutes and survived.
The greatest risk for lightning is crossing the ramp to get to/from the airplane while a storm is brewing.
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1. What is it like in the flightdeck? is there a blinding white light followed by chaos or do a few warning lights come on and the flightdeck are put into action to work through any warnings?
2. Whats it like from the cabin, again is it a bright flash followed by being pitched into darkness and mass passneger panic or what ???????????????
Been hit twice in a Nimrod. I was down the back at the time of the strike which hit the nose. It made a hole about 10" across on the radome, hit the radar scanner and travelled through the inside of the airframe. This appeared as a bright purple/blue'ish ring around the inner circumference of the cabin travelling rapidly from the front to rear of the aircraft, exiting via the MAD boom on the tail. It literally made our hair stand on end. Quite funny, no major damage apart from the nose and radar scanner.
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1. What is it like in the flightdeck? is there a blinding white light followed by chaos or do a few warning lights come on and the flightdeck are put into action to work through any warnings?
2. Whats it like from the cabin, again is it a bright flash followed by being pitched into darkness and mass passneger panic or what ???????????????
Been hit twice in a Nimrod. I was down the back at the time of the strike which hit the nose. It made a hole about 10" across on the radome, hit the radar scanner and travelled through the inside of the airframe. This appeared as a bright purple/blue'ish ring around the inner circumference of the cabin travelling rapidly from the front to rear of the aircraft, exiting via the MAD boom on the tail. It literally made our hair stand on end. Quite funny, no major damage apart from the nose and radar scanner.
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hit once in an electra.
just forward of the f/o windscreen.
blinding flash, explosion like sound. punched about 9 holes(small 2-3mm) in the fuselage.
interestingly saw in a previous post st elmos. we had st elmos, never saw it before in electra and never saw it after that night.
just forward of the f/o windscreen.
blinding flash, explosion like sound. punched about 9 holes(small 2-3mm) in the fuselage.
interestingly saw in a previous post st elmos. we had st elmos, never saw it before in electra and never saw it after that night.
