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Hello,
I will need a reference please, the situation is; last week we pushed back started the engines, had a technical and came back to stand again from the runway holding point, it took 30 minutes, as far as I know this is technically considered as a block time, please can anyone give a reference to it thanks.
I will need a reference please, the situation is; last week we pushed back started the engines, had a technical and came back to stand again from the runway holding point, it took 30 minutes, as far as I know this is technically considered as a block time, please can anyone give a reference to it thanks.
Can't give you a UK reference, but suspect it has something to do with a phrase such as "from the time the aircraft first moves under its own power" or such like. Ofcourse there is a grey area here too as in my airline we start our clocks from the start of pushback, which is not really "under its own power". From a stand off bay, there is less to argue about.
Back in my GA days we used to log either Hobbs meter time or a multiple of the airswitch time (depending on the type of flying and/or what was fitted to the particular aircraft). Again - neither of these measures is entirely accurate either.
You may find something in your company's Operations Manual re what is considered to be the beginning and end of a "blocks to blocks" time.
The important part (at least in my airline) is that for a, ground return as you describe, we get paid for it and can log it.
Back in my GA days we used to log either Hobbs meter time or a multiple of the airswitch time (depending on the type of flying and/or what was fitted to the particular aircraft). Again - neither of these measures is entirely accurate either.
You may find something in your company's Operations Manual re what is considered to be the beginning and end of a "blocks to blocks" time.
The important part (at least in my airline) is that for a, ground return as you describe, we get paid for it and can log it.
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esreverlluf has the detail correct..
in GA ( and i think your legislation the same as ours )...the regulation says...''from the time an aircraft starts to move under its own power WITH THE INTENTION OF TAKING OFF ...''
and you can log it..icing..
esreverlluf has the detail correct..
in GA ( and i think your legislation the same as ours )...the regulation says...''from the time an aircraft starts to move under its own power WITH THE INTENTION OF TAKING OFF ...''
and you can log it..icing..
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I think the phrase is '...moves under its own power with the intention of flight ...'.
In my view, if you push & start intending to fly, then a sheet must be completed in the tech log and the time is recordable, even if you return to stand. In my company, if you push & start to remote hold and shut down the engines prior to departure, then if the shutdown time exceeds 45 minutes, that period when the engines are shut down are excluded from the sector times and are not recorded against aircraft hours, what you do with your own hours I guess is a personal decision.
In my view, if you push & start intending to fly, then a sheet must be completed in the tech log and the time is recordable, even if you return to stand. In my company, if you push & start to remote hold and shut down the engines prior to departure, then if the shutdown time exceeds 45 minutes, that period when the engines are shut down are excluded from the sector times and are not recorded against aircraft hours, what you do with your own hours I guess is a personal decision.
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Browsing through CAP371, there is no definition of flying or block time. It does define sector as being:
Therefore you didn't operate a sector, but whether you amassed any flying hours is another question.
Interesting one that. There are limitations on the number of 'flying hours' but there is no definition for what a flying hour is.
The time between an aircraft first moving under its own power until it next comes to rest after landing, on the designated parking position
Interesting one that. There are limitations on the number of 'flying hours' but there is no definition for what a flying hour is.
Well this is the CASA definition; as said already if you don't take off, it isn't flight time, regardless of the initial intent.
Flight Time:
means, in the case of a heavier-than-air aircraft, the total time from when the aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking-off until the moment at which it comes to rest after landing. This is synonymous with 'chock to chock', 'block to block' or 'push back to block' time.
In the case of a helicopter, whenever helicopter rotors are engaged for the purpose of a flight, the time will be included in the flight time.
Flight Time:
means, in the case of a heavier-than-air aircraft, the total time from when the aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking-off until the moment at which it comes to rest after landing. This is synonymous with 'chock to chock', 'block to block' or 'push back to block' time.
In the case of a helicopter, whenever helicopter rotors are engaged for the purpose of a flight, the time will be included in the flight time.
In the late 60's Joan Hughes was given dispensation from the ANO to fly Tiger Moth G-ANFM with polystyrene mannequins of the 4 Tracy brothers tied to the struts in the making of the film Thunderbirds. She was to fly along the M40 which had yet to open, land, taxi under the bridge 51°36'43.98" N 000°47'46.76" W immediately East of Booker aerodrome and take off again. Anyway she flew under the bridge which was witnessed by a gnome from the Board of Trade and prosecuted. She claimed that because of encountering wind gusts it was better to fly under the bridge than to taxi as the Tiger Moth had no brakes and had a tail skid etc. She was found not guilty as permission to taxi under the bridge as part of a flight was flying anyway. A total waste of British tax payer's money.
