IFR or VFR???
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IFR or VFR???
hello new here and just wanted to know something.
when you are flying over the ocean pacific, atlantic, indian and others in VFR condition can you log it as IFR time or no? and also the same when doing island hopping. for i heard this somewhere but forgot where and if you can log it as IFR.
would like info on it if any of you can help.
thx, just another pilot
when you are flying over the ocean pacific, atlantic, indian and others in VFR condition can you log it as IFR time or no? and also the same when doing island hopping. for i heard this somewhere but forgot where and if you can log it as IFR.
would like info on it if any of you can help.
thx, just another pilot
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If you fly under Instrument Flight Rules (IFR), then log as IFR, no matter if VMC conditions! Pretty straight forward...
Probably I got Chilli Tarts wrong, but with his explanation I would hardly have any IFR time in the summer!
Probably I got Chilli Tarts wrong, but with his explanation I would hardly have any IFR time in the summer!
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it helps to fully understand the relationship between rules and conditions.
VMC
IMC
VFR
IFR
You can fly IFR from A to B in VMC all day long.
Can you claim inst. time? Well, if you manouvre the aircraft solely by instruments yes.
There is some confusion here by wanting to log IFR time. No such animal.
VMC
IMC
VFR
IFR
You can fly IFR from A to B in VMC all day long.
Can you claim inst. time? Well, if you manouvre the aircraft solely by instruments yes.
There is some confusion here by wanting to log IFR time. No such animal.
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Jester,
You obviously have not yet cottoned on to these newfangled JAR things. IFR time is exactly what you are required to log on a day by day basis. Those poor sods who have to record actual instrument time to get ratings issued have to add that in the remarks column. What benefit? - don't ask me!
You obviously have not yet cottoned on to these newfangled JAR things. IFR time is exactly what you are required to log on a day by day basis. Those poor sods who have to record actual instrument time to get ratings issued have to add that in the remarks column. What benefit? - don't ask me!
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The FARs state that only the pilot who is actually manipulating the controls can log actual instrument time. If the auto pilot is on, that does not matter to this requirement since the auto pilot is considered to be an aid to the pilot, who will still be monitoring the instruments.
The second pilot, if he is not the flying pilot, cannot log this time.
Actual instrument time is determined by what can be seen outside. If there is sufficient visibility to discern the horizon and fly the airplane without reference to instruments, then you do not log instrument time, even if you are in fact doing so, for 'practice', or it is at night, or IFR over water.
I flew for a while with several Asian carriers who allowed their pilots to log all time IFR as actual instrument time, thus with a 'heavy' crew all four pilots would log the entire flight, less about ten minutes for ground maneuvering, as Actual. They would get upset with me when I ruled out the 14 hours of actual IF in the log and substituted a smaller figure. Mind you, their National regulations usually don't cover this requirement, so the pilots can be forgiven for not knowing.
The FARs no longer require logging of actual or simulated time for the purpose of Instrument Rating renewals.
So it doesn't mean much, but if you were in competition for a job that depended on this time being logged, it would smart to know that the other guy was working to a different set of rules.
The second pilot, if he is not the flying pilot, cannot log this time.
Actual instrument time is determined by what can be seen outside. If there is sufficient visibility to discern the horizon and fly the airplane without reference to instruments, then you do not log instrument time, even if you are in fact doing so, for 'practice', or it is at night, or IFR over water.
I flew for a while with several Asian carriers who allowed their pilots to log all time IFR as actual instrument time, thus with a 'heavy' crew all four pilots would log the entire flight, less about ten minutes for ground maneuvering, as Actual. They would get upset with me when I ruled out the 14 hours of actual IF in the log and substituted a smaller figure. Mind you, their National regulations usually don't cover this requirement, so the pilots can be forgiven for not knowing.
The FARs no longer require logging of actual or simulated time for the purpose of Instrument Rating renewals.
So it doesn't mean much, but if you were in competition for a job that depended on this time being logged, it would smart to know that the other guy was working to a different set of rules.
