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In the late 90's ( I don't have the exact date) I was passing through the Belgrade FIR at night. I overheard a transmission from a Speedbird aircraft, which was describing to ATC a bright triangular object which was seen to be following an American aircraft, (Delta I believe.) The object was under observation for over 5 minutes and was also reported by other aircraft. I have always expected to hear more of this event, but nothing was reported officially. If any of the pilots involved read PPrune forums, perhaps they would like to tell us more?
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There was a similarly reported UFO by a 1-11 descending over the hills into Manchester around that time. They reported an airmiss with a triangular-shaped flying object. Nothing seen on radar.
Scuttlebut at the time reckoned it was the USAF messing about with stealth aircraft, though this was, I understand, strongly refuted by them. And the RAF said they knew nowt, either.
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Scuttlebut at the time reckoned it was the USAF messing about with stealth aircraft, though this was, I understand, strongly refuted by them. And the RAF said they knew nowt, either.
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Scuttlebut at the time reckoned it was the USAF messing about with stealth aircraft, though this was, I understand, strongly refuted by them. And the RAF said they knew nowt, either.
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No surprises there, then......
While career considerations may well affect the number of 'incidents' reported, there does nevertheless seem to be a steady trickle of reports (around1-3 annually) in the monthly MOR Summaries (usually listed in the ATC category, though the reporters seem to be mainly aircrew - I don't recall seeing any from controllers, despite some having witnessed such phenomena to my certain knowledge).
Those which do get reported seem to have been as a result of the perceived proximity of the 'object' (which is how they are usually described) and are thus reported as Airproxes, which suggests that there are still more which go unreported because they weren't as close.
What the 'objects' are however, is quite another matter.......
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Scuttlebut at the time reckoned it was the USAF messing about with stealth aircraft, though this was, I understand, strongly refuted by them. And the RAF said they knew nowt, either.
SSD[/quote]
No surprises there, then......
While career considerations may well affect the number of 'incidents' reported, there does nevertheless seem to be a steady trickle of reports (around1-3 annually) in the monthly MOR Summaries (usually listed in the ATC category, though the reporters seem to be mainly aircrew - I don't recall seeing any from controllers, despite some having witnessed such phenomena to my certain knowledge).
Those which do get reported seem to have been as a result of the perceived proximity of the 'object' (which is how they are usually described) and are thus reported as Airproxes, which suggests that there are still more which go unreported because they weren't as close.
What the 'objects' are however, is quite another matter.......
RC
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I must say I don't see why any professional aviator should have the slightest reservation about reporting a UFO. It is (after all) just that a flying object that he or she could not identify. Now what on earth is wrong with that?
I saw two during my time. Reported both. One was explaned the other was not. So what? Both had ATC implications as after a while one looked as if it suffered a mid air explosion and the other was in a restricted area.
I saw two during my time. Reported both. One was explaned the other was not. So what? Both had ATC implications as after a while one looked as if it suffered a mid air explosion and the other was in a restricted area.
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Originally Posted by John Farley
It is (after all) just that a flying object that he or she could not identify. Now what on earth is wrong with that?
Bear in mind it can be extremely difficult to assess the range of an unusual object from you.
I recently saw a greenish object travelling north east to the north west of my control tower; to me it looked about 10000 ft up and maybe 5 miles away, but on reporting it to the 'space debris' man at the British Astronomical Society, he told me that triangulation with other reports indicated it was actually over the north atlantic over 200 miles away and about 150 miles up!
I recently saw a greenish object travelling north east to the north west of my control tower; to me it looked about 10000 ft up and maybe 5 miles away, but on reporting it to the 'space debris' man at the British Astronomical Society, he told me that triangulation with other reports indicated it was actually over the north atlantic over 200 miles away and about 150 miles up!
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Originally Posted by GlueBall
Be aware: USAF and some NATO countries deploy many stealth UAVs worldwide. 
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Most logically, UAVs operate at +500' altitude levels, just in case of accidental airways infringements. Its military transponders are "stealth" and preclude interaction with civilian TCAS mode. Selective radar tracking by military controllers. 
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Originally Posted by GlueBall
UAVs operate at +500' altitude levels, just in case of accidental airways infringements.
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UFO Reporting
In the late 70s RAF Group Air Staff Orders had a proforma for reporting UFO sightings. The problem was that the spiel that went with it informed the writer that he would have to report for INTERROGATION !!!!!!
No mention of debrief, chat over coffee etc !!!!
Form eventually disappeared from the book.
Late 70s, night, over France, new co-pilot. He spent ages looking at a stationary coloured light high 12. Lots of chat from him about possible UFO. Nav and I, knowing it was a planet, went along with winding him up. Nav suggested he should report it as a UFO. Before we could say or do anything he hit the transmit switch and did just that - bu**er.
No mention of debrief, chat over coffee etc !!!!
Form eventually disappeared from the book.
Late 70s, night, over France, new co-pilot. He spent ages looking at a stationary coloured light high 12. Lots of chat from him about possible UFO. Nav and I, knowing it was a planet, went along with winding him up. Nav suggested he should report it as a UFO. Before we could say or do anything he hit the transmit switch and did just that - bu**er.
Shaggy S D, from what I remember that incident into MAN was a 737. I was one of the engineers on duty that evening and had to debrief the crew and sign off the tech log.
Never seen anyone so white as that Captain before or since. They saw something that scared the bejeezuz out of them. It may have been a stealth type craft or something more enigmatic, who knows? But what ever it was they couldn't explain it. Scared the willies out of me and that was just listening to them!!
Never seen anyone so white as that Captain before or since. They saw something that scared the bejeezuz out of them. It may have been a stealth type craft or something more enigmatic, who knows? But what ever it was they couldn't explain it. Scared the willies out of me and that was just listening to them!!
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From what I can recall, it was a Black triangular object, very close to the a/c.
"Some" other reports are of "Triangular Lights".
We have the scenario
A. Unknown a/c without any lights or transponder.
B. Unknown a/c with lights and no transponder
C. Unknown a/c [to Civvie ATC] as B
D. Unknown a/c to both Civ and Mil as to either A or B
E. Unknown whatever.....l
I have seen [unknown] "lights in the sky"......as have a great percentage of Pilots/ATCers. that the What/Who/From Where,
I dunno....Does any one?
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From what I can recall, it was a Black triangular object, very close to the a/c.
"Some" other reports are of "Triangular Lights".
We have the scenario
A. Unknown a/c without any lights or transponder.
B. Unknown a/c with lights and no transponder
C. Unknown a/c [to Civvie ATC] as B
D. Unknown a/c to both Civ and Mil as to either A or B
E. Unknown whatever.....l
I have seen [unknown] "lights in the sky"......as have a great percentage of Pilots/ATCers. that the What/Who/From Where,
I dunno....Does any one?
watp,iktch
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Originally Posted by chiglet
I have seen [unknown] "lights in the sky"......as have a great percentage of Pilots/ATCers. that the What/Who/From Where,
I dunno....Does any one?
watp,iktch
I dunno....Does any one?
watp,iktch
The small bright lights close to the surface (such as the one that shot past one of our inbounds some time back) might well turn out to be natural phenomena, which have as yet not been investigated or recognised as such (not related to, but in the same vein as St Elmo's Fire and Ball Lightning).
Some other types of sighting may well be stealth technology of one sort or another.
Lights are always a bit difficult, and my stock response to 'UFO Enquiries' is that unless there is very compelling evidence to the contrary, lights in the sky within 20 miles or so of airports are aeroplanes, albeit seen in unusual or unfamiliar configurations (such as the lights bursting through a halo of previously unseen cloud on short final etc.).
When all these have been dismissed however, there do still seem to be a small number of sightings by reputable, professional witnesses (including pilots and ATCOs) which are not readily explainable by the above.
I Include in this, sightings in CAS by ATCOs, which can not be correlated with any known traffic, and which are not visible on either PSR or SSR.
Maybe the answer really is out there somewhere.....!
RC
A lot of witnesses also argue that it wasn't an aeroplane 'because they couldn't hear the engines', but aircraft today are so quiet, and neighbours and/or road traffic so noisy, that it doesn't take a lot to mask engine noise.
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Originally Posted by chevvron
A lot of witnesses also argue that it wasn't an aeroplane 'because they couldn't hear the engines', but aircraft today are so quiet, and neighbours and/or road traffic so noisy, that it doesn't take a lot to mask engine noise.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/triangles.htm
Ion engines????
or tightly wound Rubber-band engines?
