where does BA night stop out of LGW?
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where does BA night stop out of LGW?
Hiya!
can any BA 737 LGW crew shed some light on which nightstops you do out of LGW please?
which one is the best?
thanks,
a new joiner.
can any BA 737 LGW crew shed some light on which nightstops you do out of LGW please?
which one is the best?
thanks,
a new joiner.
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Re: where does BA night stop out of LGW?
As a new joiner, wouldn't it be best to ask your experienced colleagues and discover for yourself? These days there are security concerns in aviation to do with off duty crews- perhaps better to ask around the crew room?
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Re: where does BA night stop out of LGW?
The moment I saw the thread title itself, I started wondering when and how many "it is a security issue" replies will be out. And I am not disappointed.
Correct me if I am not wrong, a very cursory examination on the BA schedules available on the interenet shows that AMS,GVA,MUC,TLS, MRS are all have night stops out of lgw and may be many more which I havent bothered to find out.
I am no way connected to BA, nowhere near the UK not do I work for any airline that metter.
I am just merely looking at publicly available information in the BA website, stuff known as the TIMETABLE.
Let us not get too paranoid!
Correct me if I am not wrong, a very cursory examination on the BA schedules available on the interenet shows that AMS,GVA,MUC,TLS, MRS are all have night stops out of lgw and may be many more which I havent bothered to find out.
I am no way connected to BA, nowhere near the UK not do I work for any airline that metter.
I am just merely looking at publicly available information in the BA website, stuff known as the TIMETABLE.
Let us not get too paranoid!
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Re: where does BA night stop out of LGW?
Well you disappoint me. It was always known wisdom to decline to tell people where crews stayed- I have known incidents of passengers chasing after cabin crew by finding out where the crews were put up. In London a crew was attacked outside their hotel with fatalities. There is a good reason for the paranoia. I see no need to publicise where crews stay, and this enquiry is better conducted personally as a new joiner don't you think? Especially as you are not even in the industry and have no idea where the crews stay and what they do. It's not information that needs to be in the public domain.
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Re: where does BA night stop out of LGW?
Er, if the information can be gleaned from the publicly available timetable, does that not make it in the public domain then? It's not as if rsoman mentioned which hotels are used and what times the crews check in and out. Having said that, I would have thought the original poster could have found which night stops he/she might get in exactly this way as well. That's how I did it. Thinking outside the box...
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Re: where does BA night stop out of LGW?
OK, so we're going to teach people how to find out where crews nightstop from timetables are we? You might think it doesn't matter- I was in Cairo shortly after a tourist minibus was grenaded- I always felt responsible for a crew's security and to ensure they got home to their mums and dads. People don't need to know things like this when it doesn't concern them and I don't think drawing attention to it in a public forum is a good idea. These are bad times for this. Why don't you just leave it alone and let this person simply ask their colleagues....like everyone else does.....if they are indeed what they say? I just don't understand why they need to ask here when they will get the latest gen from people who go there.
Re: where does BA night stop out of LGW?
With all due respect I would suggest that Cairo is in a rather different league to Munich, Geneva, Amsterdam and so on (I hope that doesn't count as teaching people how to decode IATA airport codes). In any case, if this information is so sensitive, perhaps a moderator will come along and delete this thread.
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Re: where does BA night stop out of LGW?
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Er, if the information can be gleaned from the publicly available timetable, does that not make it in the public domain then? ...
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Re: where does BA night stop out of LGW?
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Security is a concern, no doubt! But then how about having some practical measures taken as well!
If disclosure of night stopping stations (available from the public domain as I pointed out ) is risky, then may also I suggest...
Crews change into/out of their uniform at the airport itself and travel to their hotels in their civilian clothes. Not to speak of the fact that they travel in unmarked vehicles as well!
Saying this , because everytime I go to my home airport in the mornings to pick up someone arriving on an early morning flight, I see the layover crew of atleast one major Middle East carrier in their distinctive uniforms come out soon after their flight lands, using a dooray used by other passengers as well, and board the distictive coaches of a local trabsport company from the same passenger pick up bay which other vistors also use! Now ofcourse this is not a security risk - but getting information from a timetable is !. While on the topic - how about making sure that all BA aircraft night stopping have their lights switched on the entire night - just to make sure that everyone gets the impression the plane i going to leave any minute with the same crew!!!
Concentrate on security where it is really required. Was in Maldives recently, and at the Male airport, there was someone checking each and every persons ticket to ensure that only bonafide pax get into the terminal building. Same goes for all the airports in India, inded in quite a few , even if you have a valid ticket, you can get inside only 3 hours before the flight departure.
Now compare this with my experience in Heathrow, where last time I was there, for a 9 AM flight, I was able to wander in at 2 Am to the check in desks at T3 from the Central bus station (the bus connections from where I was staying meant Ii had to take a late night coach). No one to check whether I had a ticket, no one to ask what I am doing so early! And best of all, I was sitting near the check in counters of an american airline, where people travelling with them were being forced to que for long after staff went through each and everyone asking them security questions required for US pax.
Now we also know that the weakest link in security in many airports is inside the terminal building around the check in areas. There have ben quite a few bad security incidents , but has enough been learned on that front?
And finally, if I remember correctly, didnt BA when they were operating to Saudi Arabia, route some of their flights via another Middle East country (forgot which one) for some time as they deemed the Saudi cities unsafe for their crews to night halt??
Now that is an example of Practical security measures viz a viz Paranod security measures - me thinks!!!
Security is a concern, no doubt! But then how about having some practical measures taken as well!
If disclosure of night stopping stations (available from the public domain as I pointed out ) is risky, then may also I suggest...
Crews change into/out of their uniform at the airport itself and travel to their hotels in their civilian clothes. Not to speak of the fact that they travel in unmarked vehicles as well!
Saying this , because everytime I go to my home airport in the mornings to pick up someone arriving on an early morning flight, I see the layover crew of atleast one major Middle East carrier in their distinctive uniforms come out soon after their flight lands, using a dooray used by other passengers as well, and board the distictive coaches of a local trabsport company from the same passenger pick up bay which other vistors also use! Now ofcourse this is not a security risk - but getting information from a timetable is !. While on the topic - how about making sure that all BA aircraft night stopping have their lights switched on the entire night - just to make sure that everyone gets the impression the plane i going to leave any minute with the same crew!!!
Concentrate on security where it is really required. Was in Maldives recently, and at the Male airport, there was someone checking each and every persons ticket to ensure that only bonafide pax get into the terminal building. Same goes for all the airports in India, inded in quite a few , even if you have a valid ticket, you can get inside only 3 hours before the flight departure.
Now compare this with my experience in Heathrow, where last time I was there, for a 9 AM flight, I was able to wander in at 2 Am to the check in desks at T3 from the Central bus station (the bus connections from where I was staying meant Ii had to take a late night coach). No one to check whether I had a ticket, no one to ask what I am doing so early! And best of all, I was sitting near the check in counters of an american airline, where people travelling with them were being forced to que for long after staff went through each and everyone asking them security questions required for US pax.
Now we also know that the weakest link in security in many airports is inside the terminal building around the check in areas. There have ben quite a few bad security incidents , but has enough been learned on that front?
And finally, if I remember correctly, didnt BA when they were operating to Saudi Arabia, route some of their flights via another Middle East country (forgot which one) for some time as they deemed the Saudi cities unsafe for their crews to night halt??
Now that is an example of Practical security measures viz a viz Paranod security measures - me thinks!!!
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You don't seem to be aware of the attacks against westerners in Saudi, and the attacks on western compounds! Black September killed some airline crew in Kensington by targeting them outside their hotel. When I used to arrive in Belfast, I had to go through a charade with the taxi driver to ensure we got into a taxi and not a trap by a certain terrorist organisation- fortunately that situation seems to be largely resolved. But these people are living around us and amongst us- indeed they are 'us'. Born and bred in the UK and out to kill and destroy. They seem to be in most countries in Europe. Airlines have been specifically targeted and airline crews make a nice national soft target. Quite apart from the sexual harrasment side of things, which alone can be a significant factor. I really think this thread should be deleted- I say again there is no need for this information to be public, and this is a public forum.
Out of interest Rsoman, after the Cairo incident (targeting a minibus full of westerners on a regular run), I made several suggestion to airline security. These included no longer having crews transit terminal buildings, arriving leaving airports by non public security gates, unmarked transport on varying routes to/from hotels. Crews to be made more aware of keeping nightstop hotels confidential. I fear it is only a matter of time. If I find a breach of security could have surfaced quite unnecessarily here, I will ensure hens will come home to roost. I still think better to delete all this.
Out of interest Rsoman, after the Cairo incident (targeting a minibus full of westerners on a regular run), I made several suggestion to airline security. These included no longer having crews transit terminal buildings, arriving leaving airports by non public security gates, unmarked transport on varying routes to/from hotels. Crews to be made more aware of keeping nightstop hotels confidential. I fear it is only a matter of time. If I find a breach of security could have surfaced quite unnecessarily here, I will ensure hens will come home to roost. I still think better to delete all this.
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Re: where does BA night stop out of LGW?
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Please do not misunderstand. I am as concerned about airline security as you are. I know a few peole in my home town,who lost their lives when Air India was blown up off the Irish coast way back in 1985.
I did not intend to compromise on any security issues in my original revert. I was only giving an answer "thinking outside the box" as another poster put it. And also to stres the point that such information will always be easily accessible under the current scenario, however much you and I will try to refrain from doing so. Indeed, I will venture as far to say, that even in PPRUNE, if the original poster had raised the question in the "Airline/Airport/Routes" forum. he/she would have been flooded with much more comprehensive replies! Remeber UK is a country where airplane spotting is carried out to what I feel is "ridiculous " levels. Infact I understand that the most comprehensive publication in UK of all scheduled civilian flight movements including Cargo and Charter is brought out by a spotter's group (OAG pax version does not include Cargo or Charters). And there is another popular internet forum , in which a comparitively recent disturbing trend is coming out. Cabin Crew and Operating crew of quite a few airlines writing about their day to day work work on topics such as "A day in the life of a XYZ Airline Pilot/Cabin Crew...)"etc. Dont you think, it is even more a security threat???
So the situation being what it is , I am also only trying to point out that the areas you have mentioned in your last post, should be the ones on which more and more pressure should be exerted on.
Let me again reiterate that I have no objection to Mods deleting this thread if this indeed is a breach of security
Please do not misunderstand. I am as concerned about airline security as you are. I know a few peole in my home town,who lost their lives when Air India was blown up off the Irish coast way back in 1985.
I did not intend to compromise on any security issues in my original revert. I was only giving an answer "thinking outside the box" as another poster put it. And also to stres the point that such information will always be easily accessible under the current scenario, however much you and I will try to refrain from doing so. Indeed, I will venture as far to say, that even in PPRUNE, if the original poster had raised the question in the "Airline/Airport/Routes" forum. he/she would have been flooded with much more comprehensive replies! Remeber UK is a country where airplane spotting is carried out to what I feel is "ridiculous " levels. Infact I understand that the most comprehensive publication in UK of all scheduled civilian flight movements including Cargo and Charter is brought out by a spotter's group (OAG pax version does not include Cargo or Charters). And there is another popular internet forum , in which a comparitively recent disturbing trend is coming out. Cabin Crew and Operating crew of quite a few airlines writing about their day to day work work on topics such as "A day in the life of a XYZ Airline Pilot/Cabin Crew...)"etc. Dont you think, it is even more a security threat???
So the situation being what it is , I am also only trying to point out that the areas you have mentioned in your last post, should be the ones on which more and more pressure should be exerted on.
Let me again reiterate that I have no objection to Mods deleting this thread if this indeed is a breach of security
