Steep take-offs and landings
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I once baby-sat a small herd of Buffalo in the Middle East. These pilots were good enough - but they were afraid to use more than 80% power because they didn't think they could handle OEI.
Their most important mission was to fly the Sheikh's hunting party to a camel hunt in the boonies.
Their most important mission was to fly the Sheikh's hunting party to a camel hunt in the boonies.
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C130J on a 30 degree approach?! Crikey, can't of held that for more than 5 seconds or so without an overspeed! Well, actually never timed it as such from ME threshold speed up to 140 knots with 30 degrees nose down.. never thought of doing it actually 
Can usually only hold 8-10 degrees with full flap.
Can usually only hold 8-10 degrees with full flap.
I'm sorry but I simply do not believe that the C-130 is capable of a 30° glide slope. That is 10 times the normal 3° glide slope.
I once spent two days in a simulator with FAA boffins looking at the maximum possible practical ILS glide slope and the answer was 7°.
If you didn't arrive at the glideslope intercept with the gear down, full flap, airbrakes out and flight idle then it was impossible to get back on the glide path.
A 30° slope is pure fantasy except in a Harrier or a helicopter.
I once spent two days in a simulator with FAA boffins looking at the maximum possible practical ILS glide slope and the answer was 7°.
If you didn't arrive at the glideslope intercept with the gear down, full flap, airbrakes out and flight idle then it was impossible to get back on the glide path.
A 30° slope is pure fantasy except in a Harrier or a helicopter.
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Since the thread is also about take offs, I saw a Varig MD-11 outperform every BA 757 at LHR earlier today. I guess it was off to Scandinavia with bugger all fuel and pax, but it was up and off like a rocket.
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Buffalo.....50 foot obs, touchdown stop,unload 7tons , go , clear obs, all in 500 meteres, obsatcle to obstacle. greasy African strip, cup of trackmark coffee in right hand spliff in left hand. Leave 6 or so red cross "non qualifying red light" casualties to die on the edge of the strip, and carry some SPLA cadre back for tea and buscuits at loki in their stead and all before lunch.. AH the UN dontcha love em.
Before the purists disagree the 7 tonnes was the "transport" load 25 flap A conversion. With a stol load (4 tonnes full flap in) it would do even better.
Before the purists disagree the 7 tonnes was the "transport" load 25 flap A conversion. With a stol load (4 tonnes full flap in) it would do even better.
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I believe it's the A318 that is being tested for steep approaches, not the A319.
They demonstrated a steep approach at Farnborough last year.
Article: http://www.farnborough.com/media/new...cle.asp?n=1465
They demonstrated a steep approach at Farnborough last year.
Article: http://www.farnborough.com/media/new...cle.asp?n=1465
The Space Shuttle is a fly-by-wire glider that approaches the runway with a flightpath angle of minus 19 degrees. So at least big FBW aircraft and steep approaches are not mutually exclusive by definition.
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The Lockheed test pilot gave us a talk , talking about them looking at the possibility of programming the software to use slight reverse on the C130J on approach, in order to allow 10 degree or greater approaches.
