LHR this morning.
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LHR this morning.
I don't know if any of you out there in pprune land can help, but I am curious as to what was going on at LHR this am that was causing such severe slots for I/B traffic.
Thanks in advance
lexxity
Thanks in advance
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There was severe inbound delay due to us going in and out of low vis procedures.
Several go arounds as well due to the work in progress at A9W didn't help things!!!!
FB
There was severe inbound delay due to us going in and out of low vis procedures.
Several go arounds as well due to the work in progress at A9W didn't help things!!!!
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<<The joy of LHR gave an Air Canada a total wait of 1hour 6minutes from landing until parking.>>
Nothing new then - "remote holding" for departures used to hit 2 hours when I was there; must be a nightmare now!!
Nothing new then - "remote holding" for departures used to hit 2 hours when I was there; must be a nightmare now!!
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It was in 1997 that I visited Hounslow West, prior to LHS training in RBA's B767's.
Under the approval of the Shift Supervisor, a superb crew showed me around the Approach Radar pit for the London Terminal Area.
I also got to see runway operations from Heathrow's tower. Concorde taking off on 27L, at night, was worthwhile. After that it was downstairs to the dungeon (?) where the guys and girls work arrivals and departures for London City airport.
It was an outstanding day/night. If I remember correctly, the target for safety and service into Heathrow was 40 movements per hour; not sure about LVP targets though.
Thanks again to the team at Hounslow West, and to the Supervisor on the day.
Under the approval of the Shift Supervisor, a superb crew showed me around the Approach Radar pit for the London Terminal Area.
I also got to see runway operations from Heathrow's tower. Concorde taking off on 27L, at night, was worthwhile. After that it was downstairs to the dungeon (?) where the guys and girls work arrivals and departures for London City airport.
It was an outstanding day/night. If I remember correctly, the target for safety and service into Heathrow was 40 movements per hour; not sure about LVP targets though.
Thanks again to the team at Hounslow West, and to the Supervisor on the day.
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Just a quick question - why are LHR so quick to impose LVPs based seemingly around a 200' cloud base - surely we are still CAT 1 here and anyway isn't LVPs an RVR based phenomena? Or maybe this is another way of getting around staff shortages like when slot delays appear down route due to Adverse Weather at LHR, when the weather is fine. 
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Oh, I dunno SD, it would appear that LHR get their knickers in a twist at the very slightest problem.
Holding at LAM one day, the ATIS was reporting 4 km's yet there was a forty minute delay advised.
Seems they were going to LVP ops, yet nothing was mentioned to anyone on the approach frequency....only found about same while the F/E was listening in on the ground freq.
LHR really needs to get its act together.
In my experience, AMS/FRA works much better.
Holding at LAM one day, the ATIS was reporting 4 km's yet there was a forty minute delay advised.
Seems they were going to LVP ops, yet nothing was mentioned to anyone on the approach frequency....only found about same while the F/E was listening in on the ground freq.
LHR really needs to get its act together.
In my experience, AMS/FRA works much better.
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Its been a while since i worked there so i stand to be corrected by someone still there BUT no one from an ATC point of view WANTS to LVP's, they are pretty much a nightmare wherever you work, particularly at LHR-and I would venture to suggest that going LVP's would exacerbate any staff shortage situation not help it, certainly from a tower point of view.
As for instigating them early, this is probably down to the fact that it takes so damn long to bring them into force at LHR. Yes 200 ft cloudbase is still inside CAT 1 minima, but it only has to fall slightly and CAT 111 protection will be required; if you wanted CAR 111 protection how would you feel if you were told it would take 45 mins to give it to you???
Not only that but until recently only one of the runways was CAT111 capable meaning that not only did the airfield have to be protected but an alternation had to be orgainised...not something that can be done at the drop of the hat....correct me if i'm wrong but AMS/FRA do not have such restictions and have more runways and concrete to play with??
As for instigating them early, this is probably down to the fact that it takes so damn long to bring them into force at LHR. Yes 200 ft cloudbase is still inside CAT 1 minima, but it only has to fall slightly and CAT 111 protection will be required; if you wanted CAR 111 protection how would you feel if you were told it would take 45 mins to give it to you???
Not only that but until recently only one of the runways was CAT111 capable meaning that not only did the airfield have to be protected but an alternation had to be orgainised...not something that can be done at the drop of the hat....correct me if i'm wrong but AMS/FRA do not have such restictions and have more runways and concrete to play with??