SIC on a light citation, help!!
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SIC on a light citation, help!!
Sorry if this has been asked before, i couldnt find it.
If one were to fly in the US as SIC on a cessna citation that is required by the certificate holders to be flown as a 2 crew aircraft, but the type can be flown single pilot, are the hours of any use for a JAA license? Would a type rating make a difference?
I may have an opportunity to fly for a year on a light citation. I know that sometimes these are flown as single pilot in Europe and I dont want to come back and find that my hours are worthless or not recognised.
thanks for any help
If one were to fly in the US as SIC on a cessna citation that is required by the certificate holders to be flown as a 2 crew aircraft, but the type can be flown single pilot, are the hours of any use for a JAA license? Would a type rating make a difference?
I may have an opportunity to fly for a year on a light citation. I know that sometimes these are flown as single pilot in Europe and I dont want to come back and find that my hours are worthless or not recognised.
thanks for any help
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You can use the hours towards your total time and if the aircraft is in this list as a MPA (Multi Pilot Airplane) www.jaa.nl/licensing/classtyperatings.html you can also count hours towards your JAA ATPL. However you will not be able to obtain a validation without having the relevant type on your FAA license.
Your hours will sure be recognised and no organisation can take away your experience. However try to fly atleast a minimum of 500h in type.
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Your hours will sure be recognised and no organisation can take away your experience. However try to fly atleast a minimum of 500h in type.
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to log SIC in the citation, u'd have to hold appropriate category and class rating on your FAA CPL/instrument licence. This would be the same as P2 in CAA countries. To log it as P1/US as per CAA rules, u'd have to be type rated in the citation and "agree" with the PIC to countersign ur lb. If u r typrated in the citation, u have the luxury of accumulating PIC jet time, otherwise it will all be SIC time. I remember that from my pt 135 class.
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Type-Ratings can be gained for a reasonable outlay in USA. (Reasonable compared to European prices). And 100 hours would then help, 500 may not be achievable in 1 year's GA flying. Good luck.
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Thanks for all the replys.
In summary, the hours will count for my logbook, and for my ATPL. However for the ATPL validation I would need the type rating on my FAA license. Also with the type I could log PIC. However for FAA rules I dont need the type, just the SIC checkride.
Did I miss anything here? Is there a minimum amount of hours I need before I could log PIC? Or just whenever the captain tells me it is my turn?
Thanks everyone
In summary, the hours will count for my logbook, and for my ATPL. However for the ATPL validation I would need the type rating on my FAA license. Also with the type I could log PIC. However for FAA rules I dont need the type, just the SIC checkride.
Did I miss anything here? Is there a minimum amount of hours I need before I could log PIC? Or just whenever the captain tells me it is my turn?
Thanks everyone
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... depends!
The main factor regarding SIC lies with the certification of the Citation. There are a bunch of Citations out there, and some may look identical, but beware! A CE-500 is not a CE-501! Some Citations are certified under CFR 25 (transport category) and others under CFR 23 (GA). I really don't know who accepts SIC in a CFR 23 Citation or not. I went to a regional-airline interview earlier this year and they questioned me about some SIC CE-501 135 time like I was some kind of retard.
Also: The FAA allows you to fly a multi-pilot Citation (CFR 25) single-pilot with a letter of authorization.
I was told by Flight Safety that you cannot log SIC in a CJ (CitationJet). This is a completely different type rating than the regular Citations and your type rating here in the US says CE-525S (s for single pilot only).
Please bear in mind that all this refers to the FAA regs. I am out of the loop with the JAA regs.
Hope this helps.
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Also: The FAA allows you to fly a multi-pilot Citation (CFR 25) single-pilot with a letter of authorization.
I was told by Flight Safety that you cannot log SIC in a CJ (CitationJet). This is a completely different type rating than the regular Citations and your type rating here in the US says CE-525S (s for single pilot only).
Please bear in mind that all this refers to the FAA regs. I am out of the loop with the JAA regs.
Hope this helps.
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Go fly the Citation, if you can have them typerate you, the better.
Disregard captain M, he is obviously clueless when it comes to FAA regulations.
On a US registered aircraft, regardless of 1 or 2 pilot crew, you can log PIC any time you are the sole manipulator of the controls. You do not need a type rating as SIC, SIC typeratings do not exist acc to the US regs. The FAA is looking into changing it, to come in line with JAA nations, which require a typerating for both pilots if aircraft is certified for two pilots.
But be careful of birdstrikes in the Slowtation, they tend to fly up the tailpipe
Disregard captain M, he is obviously clueless when it comes to FAA regulations.
On a US registered aircraft, regardless of 1 or 2 pilot crew, you can log PIC any time you are the sole manipulator of the controls. You do not need a type rating as SIC, SIC typeratings do not exist acc to the US regs. The FAA is looking into changing it, to come in line with JAA nations, which require a typerating for both pilots if aircraft is certified for two pilots.
But be careful of birdstrikes in the Slowtation, they tend to fly up the tailpipe
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Yep, just to second BLE. If u r category + class rated=Airplane + multi (with instrument on ur CPL), u can log SIC in airplanes that have more than 10 seats as per 135 regs and/or require SIC operations; US registration. Now, if u get the typerating, u can log PIC time. It may or may not be legal, but the regs have loop holes allowing u to log it. I flew in Tanzania, and the CAA sown there requires u to have a type rating for even a C-172-every airplane u fly in. I mean, take a freaking test for every craper that u can fly. I've flown over 15 kinds of ACs so u'd understand why I think That's the dumbest **** I've come across. Over here, u just need a check out, unless the AC requires u to be typerated to act as PIC. Why don't most countries keep it as simple as the US does? 
