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Old 4th Oct 2004, 16:31
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Wilco...

A question...

When can WILCO be used?

ATC: Call next mike-november-alpha...
PILOT: WILCO

Correct or not?

ATC: Climb level 240...
PILOT: WILCO

Correct or not?


I have had several different answers from various people.
Would just like to be clear.
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WILlCOmply. It's an acknowledgement of obeying rather than just acknowledging as in "Roger". BTW, if you are cleared to an altitude or flight level, you had better repeat the figure back- we all know what we have to repeat back to ATC.......
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sorry notss, what does BTW mean?

Play up Pompey...
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south coast;

W.r.t. (with respect to), B.T.W. - it means By The Way, at least I.M.H.O it is....
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Perfect time for Wilco is when ATC do not require a readback, for example

ATC: 'right heading 120 degrees call established localiser 15'

the reply should be 'right heading 120 degrees wilco'

no blather about calling established.


Flight levels, headings, direct to etc all cannot be replied to with Wilco, unless you're from the US it seems.

Another EG, 'Squawk Ident' from ATC should be replied with Wilco,
BTW Who came up with the bloody stooopid 'Ident you have' anyway?

Have a look at CAP413, good old 'fastair 345'...
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"Fastair 345 squawk ident"

"Squawk ident, Fastair 345"

(CAP413)
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When I use 'wilco' it's directly related to readback requirements. Any instructions not requiring a readback are acknowledged with the word 'wilco'.
It's brief and it lets the other party know you also copied the less important instructions.
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Thumbs up

Thanks. I stand corrected. Still cant stand ''Ident you have''!!
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I agree - it sounds rubbish!
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Not as bad as "Ident coming down". .
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Or

"London, Fastair345 with you "

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"Wilco" used to mean "Will comply".
It is added to the words-"Roger, Wilco and out" usually now only heard in the old black and white war films with "Old Chap" added at the end!
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What's wrong with "ident you have"....

It sounds quite seasoned if you ask me....
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Sorry for sounding like a thicko,

But what does "ident you have" mean and in what context would it come in?

Cheers,

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It's non-standard R/T and is used by some as a response to an ATC request to 'squawk ident' i.e. operate the special position identification feature. The correct response is to read back the instruction. e.g. (ATC) 'Fastair 345 squawk ident'. (Pilot) 'Squawk ident, Fastair 345' (see mbcxharm's post above).
Call me a bluff old traditionalist but I always think the people who sound best are those who get it right.
south coast, if you want the definitive answer look up CAP413 on the CAA's website. It's free to download in pdf format and is the current UK civilian R/T bible.
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Bluff old traditionalist
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Thanks DB6. I thought that was the case but had never come across the lingo before.

Heres another question which tends to cross my mind everytime I do a standard overhead join:

When I report 2miles and the controller says "descend deadside and report downwind 27 right hand"

I always say: "Wilco and report downwind 27 righ hand G-****"

Is this correct? I hope it is as I try to do everything by the book!

G-ANDY
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Old 7th Oct 2004, 18:13
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Andy,

In that case just a single 'wilco' is sufficient. There is nothing there that MUST be read back, like an altitude or pressure setting.

Cheers

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Thanks Gerard,

I plead gulity as when doing a standard overhead join at Staverton this evening, I rattled off the whole lot!!!

Lovely clouds as the sun was setting!! Sunset is a great time to fly as the contours of the ground show up much better.

G-ANDY
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Greetings G-A

My earliest days of R/T use were in the military - well, that's when I learnt the 'proper' radio speak and the phonetic alphabet.. (many moons ago now..).

WILCO was a pretty standard response to an instruction or request of sorts - standard would be "Roger, Wilco" - understood and Will Comply.

No, we never used "Over and Out" - that was only for the movie makers. We did however use "over" on standard ops.

I still use some hangover expressions from those days now with ATC instructions - the occassional "Roger that" comes out when a read back is not required.

My version of your response above in reply to the tower would be; "Wilco on decent, right downwind 27 next G-xxx"

I think as long as the tower (and you) are happy that you understood the instruction/advisory, then short and sweet is good.

Cheers

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