Gibraltar landings!!
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Gibraltar landings!!
Every year I visit Gibraltar with BA. Here's the question:
I know the runway is short and every time we land the passengers normally clap for the pilots; just what is it like to land in Gibraltar and is it really that nerve wracking for you pilots?
Cheers,
RP
I know the runway is short and every time we land the passengers normally clap for the pilots; just what is it like to land in Gibraltar and is it really that nerve wracking for you pilots?
Cheers,
RP
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Gibraltar - great place, was there at the middle of June.
Dont fly into Gib myself but have spoke to people that do with Monarch and they seem happy with it! (good job really isnt it?)
Dont fly into Gib myself but have spoke to people that do with Monarch and they seem happy with it! (good job really isnt it?)
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Funny you should post that today, Ive just got back from my first trip to Gib. Im pretty new to the whole jet thing but damn that is one small runway. Also the rock is huge! I definetly would not like to go in there with strong southerly winds...
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Landed there once when the wind at the top of the Rock was declared as 100kts! Within limits on the runway though.
Personally I found landings at Gib, Kai Tak and Funchal all concentrated the mind wonderfully and ensured a degree of attention far greater than the radar feed in to Palma, for the second time on the same day!!!
I believe that Spain have eased their overflight restrictions now so that the approaches from the West are less tight?
Personally I found landings at Gib, Kai Tak and Funchal all concentrated the mind wonderfully and ensured a degree of attention far greater than the radar feed in to Palma, for the second time on the same day!!!
I believe that Spain have eased their overflight restrictions now so that the approaches from the West are less tight?
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A night approach to Gib really concentrates the mind in certain wind conditions.
At about 600' you get a really nasty down-draught and sink like a brick. Sadly, if you follow the natural reaction to correct with power, at about 300' you get a marked up-draught and it's a go-around - guaranteed.
You just have to sit in the dark, watching the rwy lights get higher in the window till the up-draught arrives (which it always does!)
Great fun though!!!!!
At about 600' you get a really nasty down-draught and sink like a brick. Sadly, if you follow the natural reaction to correct with power, at about 300' you get a marked up-draught and it's a go-around - guaranteed.
You just have to sit in the dark, watching the rwy lights get higher in the window till the up-draught arrives (which it always does!)
Great fun though!!!!!
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Thanks for the info. In future I will certainly be hoping for up- draughts when landing. Also, forgive my lack of pilot speak, is the final approach completely visual or do you have instrument guidence?
PS. Why had Spain in the first place tightend flight paths into Gib?
RP
PS. Why had Spain in the first place tightend flight paths into Gib?
RP
Flooded runway at night, on diversion fuel, reverse thrust at 30ft sorted the updraught out and stuck to the tramac nicely... thought the spray might cause a flame -out or 3
History - Jebel Attar belonged to them once and they want it back ... territorial waters and imaginative restricted areas "tightened" the approaches up and made them rather sporty......
Why had Spain in the first place tightend flight paths into Gib?
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There is radar guidance on base leg just prior to turning final, but final (finals) are visual.
Always great fun landing there, plus the RAF crews are always very helpful and professional.
Always great fun landing there, plus the RAF crews are always very helpful and professional.
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GB Airways 
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"GB Airways operates under a franchise agreement with British Airways. This agreement ensures all elements of our service are delivered in the style of British Airways; our flight numbers use a BA prefix; our aircraft are painted in British Airways livery; our cabin crew wear the British Airways uniform and offer on-board service that matches the highest standards of British Airways."
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"GB Airways operates under a franchise agreement with British Airways. This agreement ensures all elements of our service are delivered in the style of British Airways; our flight numbers use a BA prefix; our aircraft are painted in British Airways livery; our cabin crew wear the British Airways uniform and offer on-board service that matches the highest standards of British Airways."
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HZ123 - I thought that the Captains into Gib had to be checked out before carrying out a revenue flight - dont think many in BA are checked in to Gib - could be wrong.
Mariner - I was under the iumpression that a GB ticket was a BA ticket, should be no difference with your airmiles - perhaps a ticket just wasnt available??
Gib in general - bloody terrifying but great fun all at the same time, the duty free is just the icing on the cake.
Mariner - I was under the iumpression that a GB ticket was a BA ticket, should be no difference with your airmiles - perhaps a ticket just wasnt available??
Gib in general - bloody terrifying but great fun all at the same time, the duty free is just the icing on the cake.
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Sounds like a challenging but also a fun days work.
If I may ask; (honestly, I’m not a journalist, I’m a geography teacher - hence I like to know how everything works) are GB careful (especially with Captain choice) as to who they let do the GIB route or can anyone have a go?
PS. If you are flying GB on Sun 25th 16.15 you will be taking me. Wow, lucky you. God I'm bored. I don't normally read ppruNe at 1.40am on Wednesdays but my worse half has already flown out to GIB.
> Before someone points out why I (as a geography teacher) am so interested in ppruNe I still remain (although far less obsessively now) a wannabe. My plan is to
1. Convince the girlfriend
2. Lay the foundations in a well paid and secure backup career; i.e. teaching.
I'm 22 now. #2 complete. Still waiting on positive feedback for #1
If I may ask; (honestly, I’m not a journalist, I’m a geography teacher - hence I like to know how everything works) are GB careful (especially with Captain choice) as to who they let do the GIB route or can anyone have a go?
PS. If you are flying GB on Sun 25th 16.15 you will be taking me. Wow, lucky you. God I'm bored. I don't normally read ppruNe at 1.40am on Wednesdays but my worse half has already flown out to GIB.
> Before someone points out why I (as a geography teacher) am so interested in ppruNe I still remain (although far less obsessively now) a wannabe. My plan is to
1. Convince the girlfriend
2. Lay the foundations in a well paid and secure backup career; i.e. teaching.
I'm 22 now. #2 complete. Still waiting on positive feedback for #1
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- you are right.
A 'simple' answer to a complex topic- all airlines (under CAA governance, anyway) categorise airports as 'A'. 'B' or 'C' in terms of difficulty of operations. 'A' is unrestricted, 'B' requires the Captain to be specifically briefed for that airfield, normally by a written and or audio/visual brief, and 'C' is handled by such a brief AND either:-
1) A simulator training session using that airfield as the 'model'
OR
2) a visit (on the jump-seat with a qualified Captain)
OR
3) operating there with a qualified Captain in the right hand seat
OR some combination of the above.
Restrictions are sometimes placed on weather and day/night operations depending on the problem at the airfield.
GB will be no different. BA itself does not operate to Gib on a regular basis. Hope this helps with your 'challenge'
Hope that didn't bore you too much. Well, let's hope you'll carry on when she comes back? Its a great place for wannabees.
Sounds like a challenging but also a fun days work
A 'simple' answer to a complex topic- all airlines (under CAA governance, anyway) categorise airports as 'A'. 'B' or 'C' in terms of difficulty of operations. 'A' is unrestricted, 'B' requires the Captain to be specifically briefed for that airfield, normally by a written and or audio/visual brief, and 'C' is handled by such a brief AND either:-
1) A simulator training session using that airfield as the 'model'
OR
2) a visit (on the jump-seat with a qualified Captain)
OR
3) operating there with a qualified Captain in the right hand seat
OR some combination of the above.
Restrictions are sometimes placed on weather and day/night operations depending on the problem at the airfield.
GB will be no different. BA itself does not operate to Gib on a regular basis. Hope this helps with your 'challenge'
God I'm bored. I don't normally read ppruNe at 1.40am on Wednesdays but my worse half has already flown out to GIB
Well, let's hope you'll carry on when she comes back? Its a great place for wannabees.
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Captains (at GB) have to have been in the LHS for at least 6 months before they are checked into Gib. First Officers are allowed to land there at the skippers discretion, obviously if its on the limits then it aint up for discussion.
I believe that Monarch only allow training captains to land there.
I believe that Monarch only allow training captains to land there.