How do you pilot's feel about the no-cockpit-rule?
As far as I know, the FedEx attacker was a disgruntled employee riding a jump seat, but not a (deadheading) crew member. But I'm not sure about that.
Anyway, there's also a well documented case of a pilot committing suicide while flying a full 767; perhaps we should ban pilots from the flight deck too.
Anyway, there's also a well documented case of a pilot committing suicide while flying a full 767; perhaps we should ban pilots from the flight deck too.
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In France, they still alow cockpit visits duting cruise on skippers discretion. Don't think that it is actually allowed, but it happens often, and that is a good thing.
It is just paranoia to ward off anyone from the flight-deck.
On 09/11, cockpit doors were also locked and there has been a ban on visits to the flightdeck in the US for years.
I still alow people to say hello inflight, albeit with the presence of a flight attendant.
I refuse to join any paranoia, and that includes flight-deck visit bansd and that yellow jacket madness.
It is just paranoia to ward off anyone from the flight-deck.
On 09/11, cockpit doors were also locked and there has been a ban on visits to the flightdeck in the US for years.
I still alow people to say hello inflight, albeit with the presence of a flight attendant.
I refuse to join any paranoia, and that includes flight-deck visit bansd and that yellow jacket madness.
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Let's not forget the truly awful Mukonyi incident- the schizo Kenyan who decided that 400 people should be killed on the Nairobi flight. The background to it is worse than you may think. I'm told that one of the upper deck passengers was all set to terminate him there and then. I'm afraid the era of high security is upon us- there is a good reason for it, and the days of passengers visiting the flight deck are gone for good, unless you travel on airlines that haven't learnt their lesson yet. The hijacking era started when it became clear how easy it was to do it. We seem to have come out of that after making it harder and giving a robust response. We don't want any more bizarre suicide (and mass murder) atempts.
I just wanna say that the visit to the cockpits as a kid was what fueled my love for aviation as a kid. Long haul flights, and many countless visits to the cockpit as a kid, and now i'm a pilot who hopes to make it in the world of the big guns..
it's a pity that cockpit visits have been stopped due to what's happened in the world
it's a pity that cockpit visits have been stopped due to what's happened in the world
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I used to do a lot of jump seat visits years ago soon after I started flying, lots of take offs and landings, but I'm happy to sit in the back with my G&T these days. The ultimate was a 1999 Concorde jump seat trip Manchester to Paris (including mach 2.02 at 60,000 feet) on G-BOAD, push back at Manch to brakes-on at Paris (once you're tucked in behind the captain it'd be very inconvenient for the busy FE if you wanted to get out - there's not a lot of room).
On that trip, after the supersonic bit as we decelerated and descended, pax came forward for cockpit visits and almost all said "how can you remember what all these dials are for?" The supernumary captain who had given a commentrary and was supervising the cockpit visits replied at one point "I sit at home in the cupboard under the stairs and practice with the gas meter!".
And we don't allow cockpit visits in the Chipmunk. No need, really. The pax (singular) has their own cockpit.
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On that trip, after the supersonic bit as we decelerated and descended, pax came forward for cockpit visits and almost all said "how can you remember what all these dials are for?" The supernumary captain who had given a commentrary and was supervising the cockpit visits replied at one point "I sit at home in the cupboard under the stairs and practice with the gas meter!".
And we don't allow cockpit visits in the Chipmunk. No need, really. The pax (singular) has their own cockpit.
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I took my kids to AGP a while ago and I would have loved to have got them into the F/D so that they could see their dad at work. As others have said it is a sign of the times but the lack of common sense annoys me.
If the cabin crew came to me and said that we had a gentleman holding a holy book and mumbling to himself who would like to visit the flight deck, I have a feeling I might say no.
The cabin crew come to me and say that my kids would like to visit us I would be inclined to say yes.
That to me is just common sense.......but it aint gonna change so I have learnt to live with it.
It is the same old story of punishing the majoritity...blah blah!!
Just one final thought thought, If pamela anderson was on board and asked to visit the flight deck there is no way I could say no! Thats if she could fit her boobs in!!!!
If the cabin crew came to me and said that we had a gentleman holding a holy book and mumbling to himself who would like to visit the flight deck, I have a feeling I might say no.
The cabin crew come to me and say that my kids would like to visit us I would be inclined to say yes.
That to me is just common sense.......but it aint gonna change so I have learnt to live with it.
It is the same old story of punishing the majoritity...blah blah!!
Just one final thought thought, If pamela anderson was on board and asked to visit the flight deck there is no way I could say no! Thats if she could fit her boobs in!!!!
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2 company's with common sense!
There are two airlines in South Africa that still allow a few people to sit jump seat at the captain's discretion. Especially children, pilots, ATC's and enthusiasts. Thank you Kulula and 1time!
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It is still a source of considerable irritation that I cant take my wife and children in the cockpit but that cabin crew of uncertain pedigree and orientations can join the airline from north Africa or the Middle east and after a couple of short weeks training have unrestricted access.
I still consider this to be the greatest threat to cockpit security. The sept 11th hijackers were probably overtrained for the job of guiding an aircraft at a large target. A few hours on a flight sim would be sufficient.
The company (chief pilot ?) should be able to issue cockpit passes for long term crews spouses and children.
It has been pointed out a few times in this thread already that many a lad was inspired into a flying career after a cockpit visit. I was that lad and I don’t regret a minute of it.
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I still consider this to be the greatest threat to cockpit security. The sept 11th hijackers were probably overtrained for the job of guiding an aircraft at a large target. A few hours on a flight sim would be sufficient.
The company (chief pilot ?) should be able to issue cockpit passes for long term crews spouses and children.
It has been pointed out a few times in this thread already that many a lad was inspired into a flying career after a cockpit visit. I was that lad and I don’t regret a minute of it.
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