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arr....so we're saying there is a reduction offered on the JAA CPL?
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Thank you for the heads up Linda.
May the changes bring you floods of new students ;) Cheers, WWW |
I do not think it will change the flood of student.
Students already in the States would be interested to do a JAR/FAA license in same time.I think more guys will convert.I have thousand hours and now it's a good time for me to do the JAR. |
So Gorky, finally you accept that JAA is the way ahead....its good to see you have reached your senses.
As for reading this marvellous news.....mmmm, what can I spend the extra 7000 on? Thats an awful lot of watermark paper for my CV writing! Thanks Linda and here we go! |
I think the FAA is the way ahead with a small JAA convertion at the end.
ah ah, the CAA reaches their sens finally.It was just a question of time. I ma very happy to hear that the monopole on training is over. now EU schools will have to compete with non JAA schools and prices will start to decrease. :) |
Javier
Wouldn't you be able to abtain a JAA IR in Spain (just a thought). Spain is nowadays JAR or am I wrong? Linda Thanks for spreading such pleasant news, Zerograv |
JAA IR Spain
Zerograv
Yes, I can obtain it here, doing a modular course and 7.000$ (25 hrs sim, 15 hrs seneca, 15 hrs arrow). and thanks God I have my ATPL written so I donīt have to do the theory. But with 1600 hrs flight time most of them IR would be great to get JAA IR without spending all that money. Does anybody know where I have to talk to for obtaining JAA IR on UK? would be great javier |
Gin Slinger,
As far as I am aware (and I'm digging through the documents now), CPL conversion from ICAO to JAA has always been a case of training at the discretion of the FTO, then a 170A then GFT, no change there. cheers! foggy. |
foggy - yes, thanks. Found that snippet of info too. Just never looked for it before because I knew that previously conversion of an FAA IR was a no no. Now that particular spanner in the works has gone, various new vistas are opening up...
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It also looks like, if its cheaper, you could do the FAA single engine IR plus a private multi rating and then come back to the UK, do your required hours of multi IR training, take the twin test then the IR test.
Could be cheaper. Excellent news on the conversion, at last common sense has prevailed. |
The answer is - No. The state in which you complete your training is, by definition, your State of Licence issue. It is possible to complete part of your training in one state and complete it in another (i.e. to change your state of licence issue) provided that both states agree. However, if you have completed all of your licence training in one state, you cannot get the licence issued in another.
Where JAA member states approve training organisations in other (non-JAA) states, those organisations are considered, for licencing purposes to be in the approving state. So, should you complete your training, for example, in the US, the state of licence issue will be whichever JAA member state approved the organisation. JAR-FCL 1 (and 2 for that matter) still says that training outside member states is restricted to all or part of the ATPL integrated course and some states (notably France) will not accept such training as being valid for a JAA licence or rating. |
What about it?
a. It's been withdrawn and incorporated into JAR-FCL b. It's exactly what I wrote above - In circumstances agreed by both Authorities, an applicant who has commenced training under the responsibility of one Authority may be permitted to complete the requirements under the responsibility of the other Authority. In the example that you quote, you will have completed all of the requirements under the responsibility of one Authority. |
Hey,
I think I have already posted this, but I'll post it again. My current situation is: - PPL by UK CAA - class 1 medical by Dutch IVW/DL, accepted by UK CAA - working on Dutch ATPL, will be accepted by CAA. - planning on doing ME IR CPL in Spain. This is the reply I got from the CAA: As you are currently the holder of a UK JAR-FCL PPL(A), the UK is the State of Licence issue. You state in your e-mail that it is your intention to train towards a professional licence in other JAA States. Firstly, you need to establish who will be the State of Licence issue, the UK or another JAA State such as Spain or the Netherlands where you may well undertake your training. JAR-FCL 1.065 as detailed in LASORS mentions that training and testing completed in other JAA Member States may be allowable subject to a prior agreement between the Authorities of the JAA Member States concerned. However, some JAA States are still insisting that all requirements are met in one State. If the UK is going to be the State of Licence issue then we will generally accept training and testing completed in other full JAA Member States providing there is an agreement and that we are satisfied that ALL training and testing is in accordance with JAR-FCL. We have received other enquiries on this subject but mainly from individuals who wish to complete their training in one other JAA State and not several like you intend. I am assuming that you wish the UK to be the State of Licence issue, therefore before you commence your training there are a number of issues that you need to be aware of. 1. There is a procedure to convert your Dutch JAR-FCL Class 1 Medical certificate to a UK issued JAR-FCL Class 1 as detailed on our medical departments website, see link below. http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/med/default.asp?page=2576 2. If you intend to complete your CPL(A) modular course in Spain you will need an agreement between the UK CAA and the Spanish Authority. We would have no objection to this if we are the State of Licence issue but would need written confirmation from the Spanish agreeing to this arrangement. If you intend to complete your CPL(A) modular course in the US then this will need to be at a JAA approved FTO, and not an FAA approved school. 3. If you intend to complete your ATPL theory in the Netherlands then again if we are the State of licence issue, we would accept a valid pass in the JAR-FCL examinations. We have an arrangement with the Dutch Authorities that we will not require their permission, they are in agreement as long as we are the State of licence issue. 4. The IR and ME will be classified as additional ratings once you have been issued with a JAR-CPL(A) therefore these may be completed in any other fully approved JAA member State. The MCC can either be taken as part of an JAA approved type rating course for a multi-pilot type or a standalone approved course. As mentioned earlier, the above is based on the UK being the State of Licence issue, however If you intend to have your licence issued by another JAA Member State then an agreement will need to be made with those States where you complete your training to ensure that they at the end of the day be willing to issue your licence. I hope that the above has answered your enquiry. |
You might be right in that...
That's one of the reasons that I have the CAA as my registry issuer. Is there not legal obligation for Belgium to live be the JAA regulations, being a JAR state? Suc6! |
The problem is that JARs are the Joint Aviation Requirements, not Regulations. Member states can only implement those requirements within the framework of their individual national law. Most member states, UK included, cannot implement certain elements of JARs because their national law prohibits it.
This will be solved, in the case of those JAA member states that are also members of the EU, when EASA takes over licensing issues (currently due in 2006-2007). JARs will then be enshrined in EU law, which takes precedence over national law, and all EU countries will be legally obliged to comply with all parts of the requirements (goodbye US training?). The downside is that the UK CAA will probably lose the flexibility it currently enjoys in implementing the requirements and wannabees will have to deal with faceless bureaucrats in Cologne instead of Gatwick. However, EASA will only function in EU member states, a number of JAA states are not members of the EU and this is set to increase as many Middle East and South American countries are looking to join. In solving one problem, it is likely that many more will be created. |
Training on a license issued on the basis of a foreign one
Sorry, if this question has been asked before (i've tried a search). I'm about to undergo FAA flight training (Comm/inst/multi) and would like to know if it possible to train on an FAA Pvt certificate issued on the basis of my JAA PPL. Thanks.
Capt M |
Yes it is - provided you have a letter of authentication from the FAA dated within the last six months.
If you don't have a current letter - go through the authentication process again. One form to the relevant JAA authorities and one form to the FAA. |
i was told by the officer in the Miami FSDO office that you cannot add additional FAA ratings, i.e. Instrument etc.. onto a FAA licence issued on the basis of a foreign ICAO licence, ie. i could not do a FAA instrument rating on my FAA Private that was issed against my JAA PPL.
He said i would need a full FAA Private (i.e. take the Private written, oral and flight test) |
Sort of true. You can do all the training you want provided you are licensed in America, but I would recommend heading back to your place of original license issue for the relevent flight tests and theory exams. Then they plop right onto your American license as well, without any additional paperwork (unless you change class, like PPL to CPL)
Oh, and it takes a while to get used to Americans calling licenses 'certificates'. Lasior |
What 'Spitfire' says WAS true, at one point - current theory from FSDO (at least in Orlando district) is to have a Certificate of Verification dated within the last six months.
Even if you've already been through the verification process - it must be dated within the last six months. |
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