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Thank you for confirming how the payment works.

Anyone no how different the p2002's are to fly compared to a pa28? Is there much Difference training?

2 of my friends and me recently had problems with Bartolini. They are not honest and only concentrated on taking your money. Whenever you have problem, they don't care if they have already taken your money. Also, they give wrong information and it costs you much more money. Be careful and stay away from this school.

MrPilott, you have five posts, four are against Bartolini and one against Goldwings, another ATO in Poland. All talk about the negative experiences that 'friends' have had except this one which says that you, too, have had problems. Could you expand, please, about your particular issue? The reason why I'm asking is that feedback about Bartolini from everyone else is positive.

Its actually the second time MrPilott posts crap in this thread, neither a constructive post.
Or even with any actual information regarding what happened.
Taking into account all his posts are talking crap about this and another FTO I will just disregard him as a troll.
I don't know who you or your friends are, but the accusation of the School not being honest is just preposterous really. And I'm sure people around here would be glad to clarify what exactly are your complains, but first you need to complain about something specific...

The fact that they "concentrate" on taking your money is a good thing. Nothing worse than a school going bankrupt mid-course because they weren't taking your money.

Anyone else on here starting their PPL in the August class at Bartolini?

Hello guys,
I've been reading this forum for a while and following the reviews about this school specially, so thanks for all the relevant info so far.

I did my PPL/NVFR and would like to continue for CPL, ME, IR and the ATPL.
Right now I have bit more than 50hrs and need to do my hour building, but I haven't enrolled in the ATPL yet. Taking many suggestions of friends and information taken from the internet I decided to take Bristol ground school, but I'm not sure if I should do it directly with Bristol or with Bartolini (where I was planning to do the CPL, ME, IR and possibly the hour building).

I would like some opinions from people who did the course in both places.

The main difference for me will be in price. Doing it in Bristol will be almost double the price due to the fee for the exams, the price of the course itself, the shipping of the books and the 3 revision weeks (flight, accommodation and expenses). In other hand you will have the printed material forever, more revision weeks, one after each of 3 modules and 2 accelerator days per module. The training with them should then give you more background I guess.

In Bartolini the price would be the big plus but the information is not so clear about how things would go. I understood that you need 5 months before you can start the revision week (that is only 10 days once) but I'm not sure if you can do any subject at your discretion and if only with the web training given would be enough.


About the hour building:
I asked them if it was possible to book an airplane and have freedom to fly when and where you desire, but I was told that you need to book even the hours you will be flying beforehand. So I have no idea if it's going to work for me, as I'm not familiar with the place, weather and other issues that could arise. I would have a month to do at least 50 hours, is it reasonable over there?
Another option was to do the hour building in USA and then continue with them for the CPL and etc.
Is there someone who did hour building with them who could give me some opinion?

I would really appreciate hearing from students and former students of Bartolini.

Thanks for your answers Amauri and RedBullGaveMeWings!
It seems that I'm leaning to the Bartolini ATPL side even more now...

Do you guys have any recent experience with hour building over there?
My main concern is not to have aircraft available for maximum hours/day as possible due to flight schedule and no idea about how is the weather for a non IR rated pilot to try some valuable cross-country flights.

Alright, the guys have already done most of the explanation about the ATPL and I agree with most of it. I'm currently almost done with the ATPL exams and honestly so long as you have a working brain and some understanding of math and physics you will do fine providing you put effort into it.

Regarding HB in VFR... I have done quite a fair bit of it and still have some hours to go. Weather will not be much of an issue from Spring onward, there will, of course, be some convective activity for you to deal with and if you fly XC near the Alps and Tatras, Fohen and Halny are something you will hear a lot, but all that can be planned around. You will find plenty of people to share their experiences and help you with that around school. Wx cancellations during VFR season are rare, and can usually be avoided with a simple change of plans or departure delay.

50hrs in a month might be a little of a push if you go for the P200JF, there are however some tricks you can use to maximize the time you have the plane available for, Specially if you have NFVR and want to fly XC!
You can simply request the plane one day from mid afternoon onward (planes are usually less busy at night time) and request it again the next day in the morning. Then you simply fly somewhere you wish to go to, sleep and refuel there, and then return the next morning. You will be back for lunch and the plane wont be gone for long, also you can get around 8 hours plus you get to challenge yourself with new airspace/airports and visit some new city!
I did this with Prague early in my HB and it was awesome. Also if you do this in summer you don't even need to worry planning with AD's that have lights available, SS is late and most AD's are open SS+30' in summer months.
This will require some coordination and slot approval but that should not be an issue.

Another method is to coordinate with someone else who is also doing HB and get adjacent slots, so you can fly somewhere far away with the other guy flying back. You don't get as many hours, but you still get the challenge and don't have to worry about most of the slot management.

And finally you can also just fly another plane, this option is not very popular as it is a bit more pricey than the P200JF but I can tell you from my experience that if taken full advantage of, it can be a great experience gathering tool.
Bartolini has two other planes you can use for hour building, a C172* with analog instruments and a handheld Garmin, and a P2010 with full glass cockpit (G1000 + SAM as backup).
Both are generally available and can be requested for longer periods of time than the P2002JF's since these planes are not as often used for PPL/CPl training. Also you can go far away and bring some friends along as these are 4 seat planes.

Let me know if you have any more questions regarding HB, Ill be glad to answer :)

* - For the sake of clarity the C172 is not actually available at the time I'm making this post. Should be in the next couple days however and as such deserves to be mentioned.

Anyone recently went through the CPL MEIR MEP course at bartolini and able to share their experiences?

Two complaints I heard a while ago were; the sim instructor isn't so personable and the IR course isn't as robust and comprehensive as it could be - is this still the case?

I've been talking to my flying club at home and they seem to have heard good things about bartolini, so would be interested to here more opinions???

Hi
I'm new to the forum but the above thread is just what I needed to confirm that Bartolini is the ATO I am going to use for my CPL/ME IR. I am nearing the required hours for entry to the course and plan start the theory course in Sept providing I check all the boxes.. I am going to be working out there anyway so it's an ideal location for me. Anyway that leads on to my question: Does anyone know the best place in Poland I can get an initial class 1 medical done? I wont have time to get one here before I go in a few weeks and would rather not have to come back just for that! Of course, I will if I have to.

Thanks

You can do it in Warsaw and later do the re-validations in Lodz where the ATO is.
It is much cheaper than in the UK too and as medicals go its pretty standard.
The guys in BA will point you towards the place where you can do the initial Class 1 in Warsaw.

Thanks. That is really useful info. I'll get the contact details from Bartolini.

Can't wait to get started!

Hello!
Any pilots here in Lodz? I want to come and visit Bartolini this month.
A person to guide me? It will be my first time in Poland

Hello PiwiOPL,

I don't see any problem just to contact Bartolini by mail and ask for a meeting.
I think every uber driver knows where it is located as many Bartolini's students use uber thanks to cheap price

To reach Lodz from Paris, your options are to fly from CDG on AF or LOT (or possibly Lufthansa or KLM with a connection - sometimes the fares are better) or Wizzair from Beauvais to Warsaw-Chopin, then take a bus or taxi to Warsaw's central train station (Warszawa Centralna) and to buy a train ticket to Lodz (120 km or so - even express trains are cheap in Poland) then as mentioned above, another taxi/uber to Bartolini's Lodz-Lublinek base. Ryanair also flies from Beauvais to Warsaw-Modlin, 40 km North of Warsaw. Then you can get a shuttle bus to the city centre and get on the train to Lodz.

Cheers :cool:

See also the 'Modlin Bus' service operated by OK Bus. Goes from Modlin, Central Warsaw and Okecie/Chopin to Lodz several times a day, not as quick as the train I suspect but very cheap.

Hello There! I was just wondering if anyone out there is starting their flight training at Bartolini. Cause I have enrolled in the course and will be there. It would be nice to meet some new friends.
If anyone out there is following the same path PM me! :)

Anyone have any experience of hour building at bartolini air?

i.e Would hour building here be beneficial if I was to complete the MEP + ME/IR + CPL at bartolini also?

Afaik, in Poland, if you do MEP/IR/CPL + time building 'all-in-one-pack', you will be exempted from VAT event for time building price

Do you guys know if Bartolini only offers their 0 to fATPL program?
I wanted to do my PPL there and later on decide whether stay there or not but they told me I have to do the whole program, which for me sounds weird isn't it?

Hello! Anyone here currently taking up any courses with Bartolini? I'd like to hear your thoughts either on this thread or feel free to PM me. Thanks!

Hi Michel,

I just read your post that you had enrolled at Bartolini. I'm planning to enroll (from 0 to fATPL) but they say the next available slot is in July/August 2018. Is it the same for you or are you starting inmediately?

Btw it is not a problem that I start in that dates in 2018 because I'm still finishing university but maybe I would like to do the PPL before that, maybe March/April.

Greetings :ok:

What? That does sound weird! From what I understood, the whole programme is modular and not integrated. How exactly did they "say" this?

You could go there and do your PPL, then you go home for the ATPL study, but as they say you can take your CAA exams in any country, what's stopping you from never showing up to Bartolini again and doing your CPL/ME/IR someplace else?

Agreed.They are fully booked.

I just asked for cpl mep ir and they told me the first slot available is in October 18. But my question is: how is the weather in Poland from October? Has anyone done the training in that period?

If you go somewhere else, maybe you will even be able to find a job before Oct 2018 :}

Agree but I have to finish my atpl theory exams first! So October will be suitable for me

If it's so, I hope you have already reserved your slot at Bartolini or you are going to do it soon.

Yes of course! Thanks

I did my IR training in Poland mid-october. The weather was always VFR for 5 days except once in Lublin. Then it was different next 5 days: fog could be there all the day and fortunately there was one 'window' with visibility of 8km with clouds at 1500-2000 feet (the day of exam)
One thing is sure that it was warm enough for no-icing conditions

hey guys
just wondering if anyone has any info regarding Bartolini cooperation with RYR for APC programme, or Adria airlines. most probably I`ll start next year.

If all goes to plan timescale wise I'm looking at going to Bartolini in Jan 2020 roughly, for the CPL/MEP/IR so I'd be interested to know anyones experiences / placement/s timelines and so on.

Hi :) I'm starting PPL at Bartolini on June 18 and all the rest of the ATPL after that. Is anyone starting on that dates or will be there?

Hi,

I am still at Bartolini in February, if you have any questions let me know. I started the PPL course in August, and except for maybe 1 guy, nobody from this class will finish before the christmas holidays and have to come back in February, making it hard for the new PPL class to fly. I think this is due to bad organisation of the school at this moment.
A lot of hour builders, other outsiders, a shortage of instructors, a shortage of daylight, aircraft maintenance and bad weather make it very difficult to reserve slots to fly right now. Within my class there are guys switching schools to finish their PPL asap.

Is there anyone who has recently signed up for combined ME/IR/CPL with bartolini? Last time I checked the price was MUCH lower (in the origin of £12000). At the moment their website says 17,500euro. If I take flights/accommodation/food into account it would be similar/same price to the UK!

€17500 is around £15500. Most combined CPL/ME/IR I’ve seen in the UK are in the region of £22-25K. Still a fair bit to be saved even after flights and accommodation etc

Stapleford quotes £18,500 according to Wings Alliance website. So it just leaves £3,000 difference for accommodation, food, transport etc. So the decision to study with bartolini is not a straghtforward decision based on the price anymore. But I guess if you need more than the minimum hours then bartolini will work out much cheaper. I will need to seriously think it through.

Having paid for the course in February '17 I can confirm that there has been no movement in course fees since last year, there are several other nice things that get thrown in to the pot as well when you are there. For all round value it was difficult to beat them. An all round positive experience.
The reason why you think that the course has got more expensive has nothing to do with Bartolini.
Weather was OK with very few days lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIf7uOfn0OY

I am looking to start CPL ME IR in late 2018 or beginning 2019. Anyone else booked in advance and would like to share any experience?