Anyone who's been in Bartolini could you tell me what's the approximate total accommodation cost (rent, bills, internet, food) in Lodz per month?

Is anyone currently training at Bartolini and staying at the Ibis? Will be arriving there to do the IR renewal next week. If anyone is around that area and fancies a beer (or should I say Piwo) then let me know. Might also be helpful to share taxis to the school.

Cheers.

Thank you for your replies..

Has anyone done his whole training in Bartolini ? I'm interested in doing everything there.
I know they say that ppl and hour building could be a pain there but how much would it take? I contacted Bartolini, they said from zero to ATPL will be around 20 months total. Can it get even longer?

Also, until now Bartolini does not offer MCC. How did you all guys find a job? Did you do it on another sim?

Perseas.
Listen to what people are saying.
They are correct.
Do your PPL and hour building somewhere else and go there to do the CPL/IR/ME.

Bartolini is getting worse day by day. I've been hearing bad comments about the school and I will change my decision. Most people from the school say that, they only care about taking your money. After you pay, they don't care about your process, what you do, what you need. So think twice before choosing this school.

All for feedback but.....how does your comment above help prospective students in anyway?

Could you give a bit of detail??

I went there. Training isnt perfect but I found it mostly good.

Maybe the school was better when you take your training, but I'm talking about now.
I got this comments from qualified smart guys and they say, the other students are not happy, too. It is not a rule that, every school stay at the same quality all the time. Time change, people change day by day.

You're still not actually saying what the negative aspects are.........:ugh:

As a former CPL/ME/IR student, I can say that Bartolini is a good choice if your budget is limited. You will get for an excellent price, a modern fleet, not the best ME, but good enough to learn. Of course not everything is excellent, their sim instructor is useless, an excellent person but a very bad instructor. Sometimes you need to push them to schedule you and the difference between isntructors is huge, with some you feel you are learning with some other you are just flying by yourself. I personally think that at the end of the course I was ready to pass the skill tests but not by an extra margin.

I think Bartolini has a good vision but it still needs to be improved to become an excellent flight school. Anyways as I said in the beginning if your budget is limited, Bartolini is a very good option, if your budget doesn't have limits and you want a better preparation, go somewhere else.

Hello everyone,

Do you tried to contact Bartolini trough mail recently ? I've sent them an email at the last week beginning, and I haven't received a replay. Usually they it takes this long to respond ? Or do you have a actually working email address of them ?
Thanks

Why should people not do their PPL at Bartolini? I am considering going here as this is one the best options in Europe, comparing price and value. Does someone think there is a better option for PPL in Europe?

I went to the school.

Can sum up my experience very quickly:

Price - cheap
Timeframe - quick
Flight instructors - great
Sim instructor - poor
Fleet - great
Ground school - thorough
Cost of living - cheap
Support - good
Communication - average

I think threads like these are helpful for prospective students but all this "my mate said" is unhelpful. Give some examples please or ask your friend to comment.

Cloudbash, spot on with everything you just said.

any feedback about the placement rate after completing the course with them?

Placement rate.......? Nil

How many modular schools have a placement rate???? Not many.

Really? Wings Alliance just placed an ex-Bartolini student at Thomas Cook. To be fair Bartolini didn't do it, but that's not their game. They do CPL/IR training.

Please could someone tell me how the ground school is structured with Bartolini? I know the (excellent) material is provided by Bristol GS.
Do you home study then travel to Poland and complete ground school and 14 exams in one trip, or break it into multiple visits? Seems the classroom part is delivered in one 10 day course?

Yes really....they mostly don't place students. I think a couple were sent for interviews with Adria Airways but that's about it. They don't have and don't give any placement figures/ rates. The lad who went to TC was more to do with WA which is a completely different thing...

If the question was do Wings Alliance place students then my response would have been different....:rolleyes:

Ah I see what you are saying. Why would Bartolini place students any more than a groundschool or PPL school would? As you say, they don't place students, primarily because when they finish at Bartolini they are not at the end of their training. A more informative question would be "How have *** ATO's students subsequently fared in the job market?".

And if that was the question I'd say very well. Most of my course mates have jobs.

Jolax- check out the flyinpoland Facebook page details where people are getting jobs.

Thanks Redbull - very informative mate, answered all my questions.

Hello guys,
I have a few questions for who got through the 0-fATPL program at Bartolini.
-How long did it take to complete the first stage of the program, the PPL ?
-After the PPL, the next step is the ATPL Theory. I've read that the minimum allocated time is 5 months. It is manageable to work a full time job and study for the exams in the allocated 5 months ?

I'm in doubts if, for those first stages of training, I have to quit my job or I could manage to continue working.

Thanks

Well addressing your questions, PPL training will take you 3/4 months. I took 4 months from start of theory to passing the final skill test (12 Aug to 12 Dec). And I started flying in September so the weather was getting increasingly worse over time. At some point I was grounded for two weeks waiting for the right wx for a long nav solo.
As for the ATPL, I'm currently going through the exams, it will depend a lot on the kind of person that you are and how good you are are retaining facts, also at how much of that thing called "sleep" do you really need. I would say that passing the exams and working at the same time is perfectly possible but I would not bet on the 5 month mark. Allow some more time so you can properly prepare, unfortunately the way the ATPL examinations are structured end up being more like a memory contest, and that requires a lot of hours put into it as simply understanding the concepts and them being able to apply them over a wide range of questions only works for some of the subjects.

As for the points raised by Amarui, I'm pretty sure I know who he is and I'm familiar with what happened there. And he is right about some of the things he pointed out, however I must disagree with some others, the ATO quality has not suffered from the charter business he mentions, he did get unlucky that some of the senior instructors were away on citation flights at the time he wanted to complain, but that was over a small period of time.
Organization I must disagree too, things are well organized, you are however responsible for yourself. Any questions you have will, I'm sure, be diligently answered, but you have to direct them at the right people.
Think your instructor is not up to standard? Schedule a meeting with the head of training.
Need help finding a place to live in town? The girl at the reception will gladly help you (she is partial to Caramel Macchiattos, HEY, I didn't say it was going to be free!)
Got questions about your account with the school, direct them at the head accountant.
Basically, you wont be carried around, but so long as you can point out things and bother to read the student manual to know where to go and who to talk to I'm sure you will find any problems you may have do not get out of hand (This is not a stab at Amarui, his case was slightly different but if he did not want to go into detail I wont either). The instructor he mentions is no longer around however and I (and I'm sure Amarui will agree with me here) can assure you he is not a reflection of the other instructors.

Alternatives in PL
 

There are new kids on the block in PL apparently - a new school still waiting for their ATO approval. It may be a good bet if you're at the PPL stage as they are planning to grow with the first intake of students - i.e. offer CPL when their cadets have done the hour building, offer IR/ME when their cadets have done the ATPL writtens etc.


They will operate out of EPZG which like EPLL is a controlled field, but with much much less commercial traffic, which some may see as drawback (no real "big airport" feel).


I reckon they're flexible on theory - can do it with them or study independently if you want.

which school is?

The name's Westwings Flight School.

Oh, I used that word figuratively.

Isn't the ATPL training one massive bet nowadays?

Very good, lets not forget your debts :P

/Back on topic, No the ATPL is not one massive bet. The way EASA made the testing system is one big joke but some schools will help you more and some others less.
Some will allow you to sit the brush up course again on those tricky subjects some others will just ask for more money... Some instructors will gladly spend a few minutes with you if you come up to them with a question some others will simply move on. These things matter in the end.
I can't speak for other schools but in Bartolini I have that, I was struggling with part of Gnav for the ATPL and all I had to do was ask and I got a quick lesson on the parts I needed. Going great now.

Hello
So finally Air Bartolini have partnership with airlines?

I've emailed to Bartolini about their 0-fATPL course.They said that they will be starting MCC soon.

Is bartolini still around? Their domain registration bartolini-air.com has lapsed, which is also their contact email.

Also anyone know where one might check an FTOs credentials on the Polish CAA website?

Try flyinpoland.com.It works

Bartolini Air EASA Flight Training Organisation - Fly in Poland Is the website from their Facebook page. Maybe bartolini-air.com is one older site that they don't use anymore.

Yeah I saw that that is their new website, but the contact email on that website is @bartolini-air.com, sent them an email a few days ago with no reply, so was worried they weren't receiving emails. Tried messaging them on Facebook, hope they'll reply there. :)

Maybe they'll give me a discount if I make them a proper website :))

Yes I asked them and they said that he will take 3-4 days to reply

Do you have any info about the MCC that they are going to provide?
I'd like also to know if they do the UPRT course.

Hi

anyone here who has been on their CPL/MEIR course no how the paying for it works please?

I am a long way from doing this but just curious. As you should pay up front do you pay a deposit and then installments or is it some other way?

Thanks

Deposit up front then you will be given a payment plan for each of the modules.

If you have money left on your account it will be transferred back to you.

I never had any problems when it came to money. I paid exactly what I had signed up for and actually had money left over which was refunded after I finished.

Anyone can say if it's better to do exam under CAA Polish or other countries?

Sounds good thank you