Re: Type ratings - yes or no?
 

WCF - Me too!

I think this thread has been a troll from start to finish. SexyChic is nowhere to be seen

Re: Type ratings - yes or no?
 

Oh dear. Must we go down this route? I hate deleting stuff, but I'm quite happy to....

This thread may have started as a wind-up (or as the preparation for a wind-up later in the thread), but hopefully the debate is useful. If we get more of this crap, I'll just lock it.

Scroggs

Re: Type ratings - yes or no?
 

It seems a few people don't like getting a reality check.

Fly whatever you want to, but you know full well you will always be looking at the bigger boys planes.

I have no idea what the 'traditianal route' is meant to be. I think it is an excuse for not getting the job you really wanted. I just do not believe that anyone who goes to a decent school focused on airline jet transport would then want to take several steps backwards to fly anything other than a jet. But if that is really your desire then good luck to you, I just hope you do it early enough in life to get it out of your system.

There is nothing wrong with my view point, it has served me and others well. I currently work with two guys who are 21yrs old, self funded the whole lot (prob with some help I grant you) but the point is they have gone straight in at airline entry on brand new NGs, stress free. They will get command by the age of 25 and be made for life, QED.

I'm sorry to those who don't agree with my stance, but unlike some others it comes from within the industry most of you want to get in.

Re: Type ratings - yes or no?
 

Reality Check? That's just what a lot of people who come on these forums need.

I happen to agree with what he says. OK not everybody has this route open to them, but if you can afford it, do it. Are you lot really saying that you would pass up the offer of joining somebody like Ryanair? Well, i hear you're in the minority as apparently they have 1000's on the waiting list. Don't know whether that is true or not mind you. OK you might have to wait months for line training. Big deal. Find another job in the mean time.

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Scroggs
You have me mixed up! I will happily spend a 6 figure Virgin atlantic salary when I get there since my other passion is motorsport-possibly the only hobby to be more expensive than flying.
My point was that unless you are minted the starting salaries are not going to pay for your type rating,however trying to go straight to jets for the money seems daft,when you could be building time and experience for less money when you start out elsewhere (the time at which you should still enjoy your job).
You are right that after say 10 years a long haul jet captain should be paid a lot but as you know it doesn't come overnight does it?

However I couldn't agree more with your statement about forces pay for pilots,a friend of mine flys fast jets and earnt less last year than I did fitting kitchens!!!:ok:

Re: Type ratings - yes or no?
 

The interesting thing here is that there is no traditional/standard route to getting that first job anymore. Unlike many other countries our recruitment process is a shambles. So because we have many routes, there are going to be many differences of opinion. I think that if we all had the money we would all pay our way through TR & line training if it meant getting a job (remember the bed sit alternative) But most of us cannot afford to get an Instructors Rating let alone a Type Rating or hours. What ever route gets you the job is the best route.

From my reseach of airlines, every Chief pilot looks for different things and finding that out is like getting blood out of a stone. So a TR may suit ABC air but not someone else etc etc.

What the industry needs is a structured approach to recruitment similar to others. Therefore there is one view and we all sing from the same hymn sheet. (but yes I know this is Britain and we cannot organise a **** up in a brewery!). We used to be Great Britain!

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I disagree. Long may the many options continue.

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All this thread has highlighted is just how money orientated people are, seemingly with the sole desire for celebrity style 'kiss and tell', quick-fix financial reward. What happened to personal job satisfaction?

Whoopee, I rushed and paid for my TR and now I'm stuck in an airline where I don't want to be with £25,000 more of debt. So, well done You! You must be very proud. :ok: You aint got anywhere else to go now. Tough......:rolleyes:

stir crazy wrote, "I paid for my TR and am now 1100 hours ahead of my mate who went down the instructional route".

My question is, "ahead of what exactly"......the race to fill up your log book with a further £25,000 of debt hanging over you? Again, Well done! :ok: I'd rather have no mortgauge thanks.

stir crazy also wrote, "looking out of the aero club window waiting for the wind to drop".....Well pal, you're looking out the window while another daily £15 of accrued interest from your TR loan eats into your flight pay.

How awful to know that you could only get in by paying because you could'nt do it any other way :{

As Wing Commander Fowler says

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Quite interesting debate after all... I'm stunned though how narrow minded some people's posts are... Black and white thinking is just a pity... There are so many different factors to take into consideration. How could I ever take an advice from anybody? Should I trust the bitter guy who's got a type but no job? Should I trust the money spender who says that a fat wallet is the solution to everything? should I trust the guy in the left seat who actually appears to be slightly underpaid (!) ...? Point being, we're not in the same boat here. We all come from different backgrounds with different goals and ambitions.

Being fresh out of the box with fATPL and ~250h TT I find my self confused and somewhat worried with what the future holds for me. Whats the next step? I will still put my trust in my motiviation and my passion for flying. Being well aware of that this is not a vocation I won't let money blind me when progressing with my career. I'd love to do a couple years as an instructor. I'd also like to fly some turbo prop. So what is my goal? Happiness! Ofcourse that doesn't come from flying solely but a job that I'm satisfied with is a very good start and it is certainly more important than the paycheck... If that job is in the left seat of a wide body or somewhere else is yet to be seen.... After all, how would I know?

comments re PAN AM INT FLT A320 TYPE RATING
 

HAS ANYONE ATTENDED pan am in mineapolis for the a320 type rating ?? i'd appreciate any good or bad comments..

Re: Type ratings - yes or no?
 

Nonononononoooooooooo!!!! I always wanted to fly so I could impress the chicks with "I'm a pilot, ya know" speak. Now that's something worth investing a couple-of-ten-thousands-quids. Becoming a jet captain by the age of 25 is nice but it's your ability to squander away a healthy sum of money is what makes you more attractive to opposite (you can make that same or both, depending on your preference) sex.
Of course, I've never self-sponsored and now I'm flying for living, but it's just a case of bad luck.
Olof, seven years after geting fATPL, I still haven't found better way to find out what would suit me than old fashioned trial and error. That might just be me, but it seems that wandering around and asking questions only brings in more confusion. On the matter of paying for rating, methinks that the most sensible suggestion is don't pay if you don't have your job guaranteed, but then most companies that would give you job guarantee are the ones who prefer bonding so not much help from me here either. Whatever you do, there's no reason not to enjoy it while you're doing it. Heck, while I still have the dream about becoming B777 capt, flying as tprop F/O is loads of fun and if I could make a decent living out of it, I'd do it till retirement.
Many happy ldgs in your career!

Re: Type ratings - yes or no?
 

here the deal:

you give me your money...
with your money, I pay myself a type rating , and if I am hired, I will do all I can to get you a step in my company.

I need you bank ref number for the transfer.or you can send me a cheque.
please PM me.

your agent.

(I am joking!!!!in case you didn't see it ;))

Type rating in Exeter
 

Hi, just wondered if I'll be the only female on the course in Exeter in January? If I am, I might see if I can get on the next one cos my pal's on that one.
Cheers
sc (im also new to this pprune thing!!)
:confused:

Re: Type rating in Exeter
 

I don't know which company you're about to do a course with. However, things can change very quickly in aviation, I would stay on the course you're booked on. Next month may be too late.

Re: Type rating in Exeter
 

If you want my advise stay booked on the course, a month is a long time in the aviation world, may sound harsh but being on a cousre with your mate is no reason to delay.
If its the 737 course its hard work no time for friends or family come to that i spent nearly two months in total including sim gschool and base training away from partner and daughter

Good luck on the course:O

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sexychic.. 737 or ATR.. ?

Re: Type ratings - yes or no?
 

Was just reading something similar, but with a new twist, on another website.

Some people are too easily exploited :ugh:

Edited to remove link to a competitor forum.

Scroggs

Re: Type rating in Exeter
 

ATR... supposedly. I can't get the money together for this time around - so I'll be on the next course anyway!

sc :ugh:

Re: comments re PAN AM INT FLT A320 TYPE RATING
 

Go to Bond Aviation and do it for alot less money and you will be in sunny Florida instead of freezing your butt off www.bondaviationservices.com

Re: Type ratings - yes or no?
 

It would be all well and good paying for a type rating on a jet (which I haven't). The reality is that some pilots are having to pay for their type ratings to get Saab 340 jobs! Where does it all stop? If you wish (or are forced) to move types in a company, or get a command, should you have to pay for the new training as well? If you've paid for the original rating it wouldn't take too much of a bean-counting effort to try it on.

Whilst I sympathise with anyone trying to break into this industry I don't have much truck with the buying of type-ratings. It took sometime to get my first job and I've thoroughly enjoyed my previous instructing and turbo-prop flying. I think those buying their way straight onto the big shiny jet are missing some good experience.

Anyway I'm off now t't paper bag in't middle of road. Oh it were 'ard in them days! :rolleyes: