Training in Canada?
Has anyone ever thought of, or has trained in Canada? Then successfully converted to the CAA/JAA equivalent.
I was thinking about this as it is as cheap as the US but they are governed by Transport Canada regulations, who, I believe fall under ICAO, therefore making conversion to JAA relatively easy. Am I right or way off the mark? Any hidden extras I should know about? Any feedback, advice or experiences would be great. 152 |
152 - So far as the JAA are concerned there is no difference between a US and a Canadian licence. Both are issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 and both are non-JAA. There is no mechanism for converting a non-JAA licence no matter where it is issued, you would still have to pass all of the ground exams and skill tests.
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canada is a great place to train, concensus appears to rate transport canada standards above the faa. others may disagree. to convert a canadian licence to jaa:
if you hold a canadian cpl me/ir and you want a jaa atpl: you must complete an approved atpl groundschool course and pass all the exams. then you must complete training at the discretion of the fto to pass the jaa cpl/GF flight test. then you must complete a 50 hr me/ir approved course for you me/ir and pass the flight test. the cost of training is much cheaper here but your me ir is not recognised by the jaa... but you can do an approved jaa me/ir course in canada at canadian prices. if you did that you would save a bundle i believe. besides the views in bc are superb. I are canadian!!!!! |
Conversely, don't suppose you know how to convert from a JAA licence (ATPL, IR etc) to the Canadian equivalent ?
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IR in Canada
I'm considering doing a multi-engined IR at Professional IFR Ltd, Vancouver, BC, Canada.
I already have UK CAA PPL/IMC/night ratings plus FAA private. Is there anyone out there who has trained with them? Any comments gratefully received. Some specific questions: 1. Is Canadian IR training broadly similar to the FAA IR? 2. Are Canadian airspace procedures basically similar to procedures in the USA? 3. How easy is it to convert the Canadian IR to the JAR IR? Thanks |
I don't know about questions 1 and 2, but you receive no credit off the IR course for holding a Canadian IR - you have to complete the full approved course.
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Kala87....
I did some training with Professional IFR many years ago. Did their exam seminar and a couple of sim sessions. Never did any flying with them though. Found their training system to be excellent and very informative. The Canadian Instrument Procedures and Airspace System is fairly similar to each other. You won't have too many problems, however, I have seen quite a few US pilots find the Canadian IFR training a little challenging. I believe the training in Canada goes a little further....maybe due to procedures. Hope that helps you. |
Any idea which school is better in Montreal,Qc,canada!
Hi to everyone,
Very soon i want to start my CPT, I hope somebody out there can give me a better idea which school is better?,i did already all search possible,visit schools and so on , i'd just like to hear it from some of you,who might had taken the trainning in any of those schools : (hemisph air,Montreal flying club,Pro aviation,Carg air), thanks a lot see you soon on the air!! au revoir! :confused: [ 05 December 2001: Message edited by: hoender ] |
Hoender,
You're probably asking the wrong crowd. The guys and gals who check out his site are mainly based and interested in European JAA state type affairs. You would be better off posting this question on http://www.syz.com/avcanada/forums/v...hp?forum=1&140 Not being overly familiar with Montreal from a flying perspective I can't unfortunately advise you. Bon chance mon ami. Cheers, CG. ;) |
Flying in Canada
Does anyone know of any clubs near Toronto where I can do an IMC??? I know of one so far - Brampton. Are there any others out there??
Would appreciate any info if you have it... Thanks G - HIGH |
Durham Flight Centre, Oshawa Ontario. 30 minutes east of Toronto.
PFC-2 Simulator ($75 CDN dual) C-310 ($240 CDN dual) C-172 (($88 CDN solo, $133 for dual advanced instruction) All 'wet' rates. A number of very experienced IMC instructors on staff. Call 00-800-2497-2497 or email me directly if you would like more information. Cheers. |
modular and canada
Hi,
hope a couple of you can help me with this one... if I am wanting to complete a modular course to a frozen APTL how much of it would I be able to complete in Canada... at the very least I'd do my 150 hrs... but I'm hoping I could take my PPL there as well or wouldn't that be recognised here? also is there time limits on how long after completing the ground exams you have to take CPL etc? thanks, |
I believe the Canadians do issue PPLs of their own on the strength of an PPL issued in line with ICAO (i.e. JAR/CAA ones are acceptable) in the same manner as their southern neighbours.
You can do your ATPL via distance learning sat in a bunker in Afganistan if you so wish. For a UK JAR CPL, your options are back here in Blighty, or there are a couple of flight schools in Florida with approval (just don't tell WWW!). From taking the first ATPL written exam, you have 3 years to pass the IR, and 7 years from that date (or your last IR renewal) to 'unfreeze' your ATPL, the basic requirements for which is 1500hrs TT, plus 'X' hrs multi-crew and 100 hrs at night. Someone please shout if I'm giving out duff gen - very bored today, reading about global weather systems! |
You can do a Canadian PPL and hour build but there are no schools in Canada currently approved for JAA training.
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Some schools still advertise a conversion course to convert your Canadian CPL IR to the JAA equivalent. However, this conversion course is really the full approved JAA course with no reduction in hours or cost. Don't get caught out. Great place to fly but out of Canada and the US I would go for the US for all the reasons mentioned in this thread. Good luck
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Western Canada uni/college recomendations
Hi, I was just wondering what the main differences are between getting your Diploma vs. the degree. I will be starting at Mt Royal in september(if I get accepted). I was wondering if there are any other flight schools here that would be any options that will be as good, if not better.
I was also wondereing what the main differences are between a diploma vs a degree? thanks |
Flying schools in Ottawa, Canada and conversion to CAA/JAA
I have been searching for flying school around Ottawa in Canada and would like some input from anyone who has had any experience with any of the flying schools in the region. I have visited a few and found a school which has Katanas. They were a rather interesting looking two-seater aircraft. If anyone knows anything about the Katanas please shed some light.
I also would like to know the procedure to convert a Canadian license to a British or European license. Would I have to do lots of tests ? Is it a complicated procedure ? If anyone can answer any of these questions, I would really appreciate it. Thanks a million. |
From a basic "foreign"ICAO CPL to a JAR ATPL is a long and expensive process.
Medical at Gatwick. You should get away with 189 pounds for that. You are looking at having to do the 14 ATPL exams again after doing either 6 months groudschool or XX months Distance Learning. There is discussion about concessions for ICAO IR's. As it stands at the moment you'll get maybe 5 hours off if you have some multi time. So, another 50 hours for a multi IR (JAR). Then add in a MCC course... It all adds up... As far as I know, no one is doing JAR CPL theory hence the need for the ATPL theory. |
m777,
I've been at the Ottawa Flying Club for the last few years. The OFC and the Ottawa Aviation Servies (OAS) are the only clubs that I'm aware of at Ottawa MacDonald Cartier International (CYOW). I'm assuming you live in the area, in which case there are a couple of clubs at Carp Airport (CYRP) and Rockcliffe (CYRO). The OFC currently has a fleet of C-150's, C-172's, an Arrow and a Beech Duchess (twin). I don't believe the OAS (the club with the Katana's) has a twin ....probably same goes for the others mentioned. As you may be aware a multi IFR is pretty much essential for working as a commercial pilot, unless you're considering strictly VFR operations such as bush/float and possibly surveying. Regarding the Katana's - I've heard may good things about them, however apparently their Rotax engines are not as robust and reliable as the Cessna Lycoming engine (though much quieter), and that was what the Chief AME at our club who told me, and he know's what he's talking about. The OFC does all the maintenance and servicing of all the OAS planes (Katana's) and one thing the OFC is noted for is good servicing and keeping the fleet in good shape. Apparently the Katana's offer a great view out of the cockpit and I think they cruise at higher speeds than the C-150. Personally, I'd be happy to have a chance to fly one. One thing I did hear is that they are pretty easy to land and so may lull a beginner student into a 'false sense' that landings are easy. Redsnail seems to have correctly addressed your queries regarding conversions. Drop me an e-mail to my pilot prune account if you want to ask me any questions. You can even call me if you live in the Ottawa area .... Good luck. C.G. ;) |
Are you looking to get a PPL or an ATPL? If the former is the case, this topic should be in Private Flying. Please let me know and, if so, I shall move it.
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Visa Requirments for Flying and Training in CANADA
We get lots of questions about flying in Canada post 9/11. Here is some current info about student visas in Canada.
Who needs a student Visa in CANADA: 1) If you are coming to hour build or a flying holiday and have a Canadian Licence or an Canadian licence issued on the basis of your Foreign Licence, you can enter the country as a visitor or tourist for 6 months or less. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/study/index.html 2) If you need to convert your licence to a Canadian Licence, you can visit the closest Transport Canada office when you arrive. For a PPL this takes 10-20 minutes and cost around $50 Canadian ($30 US funds). More conversion info at http://www.harvsair.com/training/conversions/index.htm 3) Going to Canada in order to train for any pilot Licence. If the course is LESS then 6 months NO visa is required and you can enter Canada as a visitor. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/study/index.html If the course is OVER 6 months and the a student visa IS required. Allow 1-2 months to process a student visa. More information on this at http://www.harvsair.com/training/new...t.html#foreign Adam Penner Harv's Air www.harvsair.com |
Most respected flight school in Canada?
What is the most respected flight school in Canada?
I think in USA it is Flight Safety International, In Denmark it's Luftfartsskolen......but what about Canada? |
Selkirk College in BC or Seneca College in Ontario. Sault College along with Mount Royal are good schools too.
In the US many forget the University of North Dakota. An excellent school to say the least. I would put my money there. The military is still the best place to train, but all of these schools mentioned do a good job in giving equal training standards. |
schools in Canada
Hi all!
Do you know any good flight schools in Canada. Seems like its even cheaper than the US....I dont know of any school that offers JAA cert. over there. Do you know of any? Thanks! /Milad Yazdi |
Give me an e-mail I'm sure I've got a list of schools kicking about which should give you a start. Regards
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simulator trng Canada
would like some info on A300-600 sim trng in canada, schools and locations
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Learning in Canada?
Hello,
Due to the unfortuante death of both my parents I can now afford to learn to fly for a living. I have flown before (ATC) and cannot think of anything else that i would prefer to do! I have also always wanted to spend somtime in Canada so what I am thinking is to move to canada for a few months and start my Comercial training over there. Does anyone have any recomendations of schools or even whether it is a good idea? I am 29 is this too late to start? I am happy to invest my money and time but need advice on the best way to go. I have just orderd the book Clive Hughes "Guide to becoming a Professional Pilot" and I am looking forward to reading it. I don`t want to fly airlines or large cargo aircraft, I would be happy just making a resionable living flying people/items locally, I might even concider buying my own (old) aircraft to build my hours up. Do I sound mad? or are my ambitions possiable Many thanks in advance Jonnie (UK) |
If it's what you want to do, then why not? There's older pilots than you around :) Have a chat with Adam Penner at Harv's Air Centre in Stenbach, Manitoba (near Winnipeg). His email is [email protected] (www.harvsair.com).
Good Luck! Phil |
Hi spackrackman,
Sorry to hear of your bad news...If you can afford to undertake a course of aviation training then it is quite possibly the most rewarding career available. That is true whether you want to fly the big stuff, become an instructor or just do it for fun. I have heard from various people that there is a excellent school in Moncton, New Brunswick. I believe their website is www.mfc.nb.ca and I think that they aree the only JAA approved school in Canada. Best of luck |
Yeah, Moncton Flight Centre are good guys, and NB is nice, so are worth a look. Harvsair do JAA stuff too, though, last I heard
Phil |
Harvsair do JAA stuff too, though, last I heard As 'uniboy' said, the only JAA approved school in Canada is in Moncton, run by an ex-CAA Chief Flight Examiner who, presumably, knows how it should be done. |
I stand connected :)
phil |
in an effort to convince (mislead?) the less discerning customer I have no connection with the school - I just found it very refreshing to see such an honest website. I'm not even an ex-student, so obviously take what I say with a pinch of salt and do your research first. And yes, there are plenty of (other) schools out there whose marketing is an effort to mislead - I just happen to believe that this school isn't one of them. FFF ----------- |
British Columbia
I am a low time CPL currently in Ontario. I did quite a bit of my training in BC. Flying in BC is absolutly incredible! If you want a Canadian experience in Flying than Vancouver Island is were you should be. Now that I'm back in Ont. I can safely say that flying out west made me a better pilot. Every day is a Met. lesson and mountain time will build confidence like nothing else. I would recommend Juan Air in Victoria. The school also runs a air taxi op. The owner/CFI is always interested in your training not just your money. Before you decide on anything do yourself a favour and check out the west cost.
Good luck eh! |
spackrackman,
If you are, in any way, considering the Triple A option at Humberside - please Private Message me. I would be more than happy to let you know my (and others if required) experiences of this school. |
If you don't need the JAA approved stuff, follow cyumni's advice and head out to BC, its the best place to visit and combine some great flying. Theres a school out at Boundary Bay airport, see www.proifr.com, with a good rep.
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Quite agree - proifr are top notch
Phil |
UKFT
Billie Bob,
I think you should check your facts as I completed my training with UKFT and got my JAA and FAA PPL. The flight school is managed and run by a JAA examiner. Vinil |
Flight training in Canada
Hi there
Just wondering has anyone trained for a CPL - IR in canada that can recommend any good schools? Not necessarily ab - initio schools, just somewhere with a good reputation and decent job prospects afterwards. Hoping to train out there with the aim of emmigrating to Canada to take up employment. What are the job prospects like for someone with CPL/IR and an instructors rating with hopes of flying commercially. I currently hold a UK CAA PPL, i have read that this needs converted to a canadian PPL before CPL training can commence - is this true? The training appears to be reasonably priced at around an average of £20,000 equivilent??? Does that sound right? I currently have an australian class one medical, but i think it is reasonably straight forward to convert over to the canadian class one, just have to shell out a bit more cash (like everything else in flying really!!). Cheers Gareth. |
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