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underpaidtoo 15th Jul 2021 07:46

Search the CAA website for CAP 2159 which lists the offences that dis-qualify you from holding an Airside pass.

No pass = no job.


TukwillaFlyboy 15th Jul 2021 08:17

Given the extremely competitive employment market for pilots right now why would a major employ you ?
No pass = no job is correct , and just the start.
Become a tradie instead. ( Australian for tradesperson)
In Australia they get paid more than most pilots.

nothopeful 15th Jul 2021 10:40

underpaidtoo

Ah okay, thank you for clarifying. I had read through that document, and I was hoping that that wasn't the end, but it seems that my offence is deemed totally disqualifying.

TukwillaFlyboy

Yes I can definitely agree, I just think that the part of me that always dreamed of becoming a pilot desperately wanted to believe that there was some way of getting round that issue.

You are correct in saying that as the offence is one deemed as being child abuse, I would not be able to obtain an airside pass or pass security vetting.

Time to look into lower paid, unskilled labour I think.

If this thread serves any purpose, it can serve as a warning to other hopeful young men that 18 is the age of consent, NOT 16 as the law suggests.

Repos 15th Jul 2021 11:11

Did you see my questions in post 14?

You are talking as though you have already been convicted

nothopeful 15th Jul 2021 11:15

Repos

Hi, sorry, just seen them.

The image was definitely of her, and she was definitely 17 in the picture. The police are investigating (and I was arrested), and the investigating officer has said that they are "waiting for the CPS to produce a charging sheet".

Dan Dare 15th Jul 2021 11:23

As far as this thread suggests you are not a sex offender, you are being investigated or possibly prosecuted for an alleged sexual offence. We still have a principle of “innocent until proven guilty” in this country even with such a grievous crime as receiving a dodgy picture with a blackmail threat (Ohrly’s suggestion of organised pre-planned crime seems quite plausible and there could be others similarly affected able to provide support or advice). Get good advice - even better than that available on an anonymous Internet forum - and hope that the law still has some semblance of sense and justice embedded in it.

In the event that you get a disqualifying conviction you can still fly - arguably with more enjoyment than an airline pilot might - you just need to ensure you go down a career path that leaves you enough time and money to do so.

Don’t give up!

Bull at a Gate 15th Jul 2021 11:55

The relevant CAP 2159 offence is possessing an indecent offence of a child. As you have learnt by now a child for that purpose is anyone under 18. Consent has nothing to do with it, so talking about “the age of consent” is meaningless.

I repeat my earlier questions, because they may determine whether you have committed an offence: what did you do with the image you were sent, did you save it anywhere? Did you delete the message which contained the image?

portsharbourflyer 15th Jul 2021 13:03

Even if charged he can still apply for a certificate of disregard, if the details given are true.

glenb 15th Jul 2021 13:08

i hope i don’t over simplify this.

Consider this. It’s ballsy, but it might just prevent a lot of collateral damage.

All you need to do is tell the truth. Trust the system. Your story is simple and credible. Any reasonable Judge would surely have to find you not guilty, and a police prosecutor may pull the whole thing anyway. Spend the absolute minimum you can. Expedite the whole process, and rip the bandaid off. Value the opportunity to get it to genuine well intentioned scrutiny as soon as possible.

Good luck you and a fair outcome.

TukwillaFlyboy 15th Jul 2021 13:31

nothopeful

Lower paid unskilled labour ?
You should see the callout fee for a tradie in Australia.
If you can get one.

Repos 15th Jul 2021 17:38

nothopeful

Were those his exact words? That means the CPS has definitely decided to prosecute? or they are awaiting the decision of the CPS?
Sorry to be pedantic but this matters about were you truly are in procedings. You could be worrying about nothing.

kungfu panda 15th Jul 2021 21:28

glenb

If it goes to court, Magistrates always, in my experience, side with the Police. If that is the case you'll need to take it to a Crown court.
If what you say is even half accurate, you're not going to get 12 jurors to convict you. But you do need to spend money on a lawyer/Barrister/Solicitor. A Good lawyer commands so much respect from the court, you're much more likely to get a reasonable result (That especially applies in the Magistrates court).

avtur007 15th Jul 2021 21:43

Reciprocal
 
I'm pretty sure it's also an offence for her to have initially shared the image with you as she was under 18 at the time and I don't think there is a distinction in law between a person sending a (sexual) image of themselves or of anyone else under 18, your just not allowed to do it. I would tell the police or your lawyer that she distributed it to you and push for her to be prosecuted with distribution of child porn. It might not help you but will potentially get the girl also facing being put on the sex offenders list and she will be forced to tell the truth to get her own self out of this, which might just help your case or at least give her a taste of her own medicine. I would hope this wouldn't even get to court anyway as the prosecution service will try and look at this objectively and for what it is,which is a girl trying to blackmail you over an image she sent and is then trying to extort something from you. But it's crazy days and the law can sometimes be bound to act regardless. Get a lawyer and pull her down if your going down, just make sure she falls further and harder. If your in the UK the citizens advice service can be very helpful and might be able to at least get you some legal advice as a start. Good luck

Out Of Trim 15th Jul 2021 21:59

It would seem to me, to be quite unusual for a 17 year old female to be on an online dating site. Unless, she is part of a pre-planned scam attempt. Perhaps, coerced by someone else. If so, she may have “form” with other suitors on the dating site. I wonder if the Police have investigated the case from her side.

Have the Police pulled her Phone and Computers with regard to this case or interviewed her and her parents or guardian?

Do get suitable legal representation and good luck 🤞!

rudestuff 16th Jul 2021 01:44

It's 2021. It would be unusual for a 17 year old not to be on one, surely?

Magpie32 16th Jul 2021 06:46

Get a decent paying job, save up for many years, then go modular at the current rate of approx £55,000.

If you have not already done so, get a Class 1 medical asap as all this chat my be irrelevant if you cannot get one of these.

Rt Hon Jim Hacker MP 16th Jul 2021 07:43

Something doesn’t smell right about this thread.

highflyer40 16th Jul 2021 08:05

Couldn’t agree more!

Stu666 16th Jul 2021 10:59

Not sure this would stand up in a court of law if the image was sent unsolicited and you promptly deleted it. Although deleted images in many cases can be recovered, and there may even be thumbnails of it you are unaware of (yes modern Windows versions create databases of thumbnails for every image you have saved), it could be argued that most people are ignorant to this and couldn't reasonably be expected to know that traces of the original file remain.

The image itself, you say it was risque but the girl was wearing underwear? You could legally view similiar images in swimwear/gymnastics catalogues if you were so inclined. I don't know what constitutes an indecent image these days, but it's definitely worth looking into. You need a good lawyer with an understanding of technology.

Also, I hope you saved or at least screenshot the blackmail attempt?

nothopeful 16th Jul 2021 11:07

Sadly, as you said there was deleted images saved in some obscure part of the internal memory of my phone. The police view that was that as an engineering grad I was fully aware of how devices store images.

The context, nature and intent of the image is important. Yes there was no nakedness involved- I would equal it to a bikini shot, you could see exactly the same as what you would see at a beach.

Because the image was sent within context of a flirtatious conversation, the image is indecent. The key here is the context in which the image was sent/recieved.

I understand why people are trying to tell me to fight it, and I've had legal advice, where its been advised that i plead guilty to avoid a lengthy sex offender registration. If I please out, I will likely get 2 years and a permanent criminal record. If I argue that i didn't recieve it, i would be looking at five.


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