Ryanair Mentored Programme - Bartolini Air
 

Hi everyone,
I am going to try the assessment for the Ryanair Mentored Programme at Bartolini Air; I would like to know if this kind of cadet scheme is worth to invest on Ryanair.

Thanks for all info!

Yes, in my opinion, it is absolutely worth it.
I am a former Bartolini Air student and I was very happy with them. I have never had a problem with them and thoroughly enjoyed my time there.
Ryanair is a great start for someone's career and if you manage to get based in a base of your choice, their 5-4 roster can give you excellent quality of life. Yes, I agree they are not the best employer around, but none is perfect.

And the new contract in Italy looks very good. I'd sign for it right now if I could.

Is there any guarantee that you'll get a job at the end? If not, don't give them any money.

I hv finished my CPL+ME/IR/PBN at the beggining of december - didn't have any problems at all, everything was clear and the paper work was done on the second day after my exam. Which group You were in? Are You BA student at all? All this sounds strange for me...

Outsider93 - oproznij skrzynke bo nie moge ci wyslac wiadomosci :)

Does anybody have further experience of the Ryanair mentored scheme specifically?

Hello anybody,

I will pass the phase 2 of the assessment soon (Online test).
I´m seaching somebody who has passed the test and can give me some tips :D
Thank you very much

Hello Alejandro!
Im just sending my phase 1 application form now and I was looking for someone with experience regarding how things goes here.
I would be really, Really! grateful if I could hear from you regarding ur Phase 1 - 2 experience!
If you would be so kind to give me your e-mail addresses so I could drop an e-mail to you? :rolleyes:
Greetings,
Steve

I wish to find such people as well! 😊

Steve sorry I just see your message. I will pass my phase 3 on 27 february. Finally you applied ?

Hehe, No probs at all Alejandro! :)
I think the notifications here are not working!
I even sent u a private message here, to ur profile but I think it was not visible for you!
Yes, I applied a week ago and just got the invitation to phase 2, now Im about to send the 200€...
What is this phase 2 gonna be about? Phase 2 is the tests with math, physics, english and compass test or somethin easier?
Would be good to discuss it with u!
And to hear ur opinion about the Mentored Program overall...
Because I was surprised when I figured there will be no guaranteed job at the end only a chance for a normal job interview with Ryanair (only they will teach us to their SOP's as an advantage).
If its true, then there is not big of a difference than u would go to Ryanair job interview after getting frozen ATPL on ur own I guess.

Aren't Ryanair looking to close more bases in the near future?

I have to disagree with your statement that there is no difference between doing a normal ATPL course and a course mentored by an airline. Check facts online

It is a widely known fact that if you do your training with Bartolini, AFTA or Aviomar and then do your APS-MCC with Virtual Aviation , you will have an advantage over a normal modular student during the selection process. If you don't mess it up in the sim or at the interview you are pretty much in. If you get in the mentored program and you perform with average good results, they know you are a trainable person.

any updates from the next stage Steve07, Alejandro9 sent you guys both a message, im interested in this programme would like some further details please..

Hi,
Alejandro9, did you apply for the MCC APS Ryr mentored or for ATPL Ryr mentored programme?

I'm looking for accommodation in lodz and it would be great to be with someone who is starting either the RYR mentored course in April or just a student in general from bartolini looking to rent a room.

I haven't found a place or anything but I'd rather be with students than Random people.

Hello! Did anyone attend the Online Assessment for Ryanair Mentored Programme?
I was looking for some tips!

Thank you!

Ryanair is currently cutting off jobs...this assessment mustn't be their prority

Guys and girls are you not reading the news. There will very shortly be an enormous amount of unemployed pilots on the market.

Many will have many hours on jets with some significant company’s like mine at Easyjet. If there are organisations out there offering assessment, interviews etc for a fee I would suggest you think very carefully before spending your hard earn cash.

The market will eventually recover but it will takes number of years. Be careful out there.

Considering that the program is still open and you will get a licence in about 2 year's time I don't see why people shouldn't start training (if you are in a financial position to do so).
On top of that, people who are doing a mentored program are the only ones who stand a real chance of being employed by the airline in future

Given the number of known “unknowns” just now, it would be somewhat courageous to start training.
A clearer picture needs to emerge before taking the plunge.
Certainty once a vaccine has been approved, worldwide confidence will grow, as will thoughts of travel.

Timing will be of the essence, so that a reasonable expectation of employment occurs shortly on successful completion of the course.

Avoid smooooth talking ‘snake oil salesmen’ like the plague.

Hello to everyone,

Bartolini sent me an email about the last (and third assessment) in Lodz exaclty on 30th June,

Someone of you received same email?

I was enough crazy because organize the flight with this situation is so difficult and expensive, what I don't like that before was supposing to have the last assessment in Warzaw but now no, and we've to move in Lodz (3h from Cracovia and Varsavia)

If anyone of you will participate on the assessment please contact me, I've some doubts about the field of Study

Please tell me that you are not doing 0-fATPL

0-Ab initio, from the beginning, with the Mentored Program, why?

Hey there, is anybody willing, by any chance, to share what happened in stage 2 of the assessment?

Vincenzo Giove

Lodz is just one hour away by train and 1,5 by coach.

is this for the ryan air mentored programme or 0-fatpl?

Nice to see that some good sameritans are keeping the flightschools alive at the cost of their own :}

CAP 737, page 90, last paragraph

At this stage, a mentored program doesn't mean a job for you after traning

Commencing an ATPL training in 2020 is a bad idea. It will take years for airlines to hire newbie FOs

I agree, why would you pay the extra 10k for the Ryan Air mentored scheme, it is not as if you'll have any chance of flying for RYR anytime soon.
Have you considered the 'normal' Bartollini 0-fATPL? Save yourself some money for the future, because in both cases your chances of a job anytime soon are quite slim

Can anyone explain what is exact difference between "0-ATPL Mentored" and "0-ATPL (non mentored)? I've read everything on their page, but couldn't spot exact difference. Is it only branding, to lure more people, or there is really something more (knowledge, licenses or what) to get from mentored?

In the heady days of 2019 it was a sales technique to convince you your chances of a job with RYR were far better - who knows that might have been true, I have no personal knowledge either way.

In 2020, it would be a complete waste of money in my view and if someone from the school is trying to justify the extra costs, I honestly feel this is disingenuous.

For now, every good aviator should, conserve fuel (money) and spend wisely, but certainly not give up the dream and bail out over the ocean - the good times will return!

Can only comment on the modular case, which is 19500 or 30000 for the RYR.
The RYR modular course includes APS MCC and UPRT which is respectively about ~1500 and ~6700.
In the end the total difference amounts roughly 2500 euros then. I am not sure what you'll get 'extra' for the difference in money besides an uniform...

It says train that you'll use the RYR SOP's, I don't know wether this is during the entire training or only during your APS MCC course. In the last case there wouldn't be benefit since you would do this anyway via Sky4U's or VA's APS MCC.
If they've adapted their CPL/ME/IR training to simulate-ish multicrew with RYR SOPs, just like they do during MPL training in the SEP phases, then I could see some benefits.

Anyhow... any kind of MCC included in your training looks like a waste of money at this time. The market probably doesn't pick up anytime soon and as far as I know a recent MCC is more or less required by most carriers when applying for your first job.

Hello everyone,

I could need your advice. My plan is to start an integrated training as soon as possible. Financially I'm ready, and I want to take the next step. I know modular is often a better way, but I'm going for the integrated program. I've seen that this school has a mentored program with RyanAir (I know it's no guarantee of getting a job). I've seen that the school has an assessment process of two stages and I wonder if you guys have any information about how I can prepare in the best possible way? From what I understand on their website and their FAQ, there is Psychometric and aptitude test taken online followed up by a visit at their school for tests in math, physics, english along with a personal interview. I wonder if you guys have any information how I should prepare for the psychometric and aptitude test? If I pass that stage, what should I practise before travelling to Poland and take their physics, math and english test? It would kinda suck if I travelled to Poland, and not pass the test. I would appreciate it if you guys could share some information. Either respond in this thread, or send me a DM. :)

Being aware of the current very very poor situation AND going integrated AND on top of that paying extra for the virtually useless RYR program: it’s like these boys never cease to exist.

Thankyou for keeping the flightschools alive with your apparent surplus of money.

as a response to your question, the longer you wait the greater the chance of being accepted into an integrated program on the sole basis of your bank account. No need to worry about those phony entry tests.

African T-S

Could it be that mikeax has recently beamed down from the planet ZOG, and is unaware that a tsunami has occurred, devastating aviation probably for up to five years?

The outcome of the psychometric testing might prove interesting when they assess “risking taking” and futility of his intended course of action based on the current situation.
Had he instead said this was Plan A; however now going to Plan B where I shall reassess in 6 -12 months time, you might have said ‘sensible decision’.

I am ignoring the argument about the ‘Style’ of course.

Mikeax, as above posters already stated: At this time...don't waste your money. Whatever the flightschools tell you: They only mind their own business (which is absolutely understandable) - not about you. Ryanair is in fact OVERcrewed, because of Covid19 AND the MAX delay, asking people to go on part time and unpaid leave etc...
As soon as the industry picks up again (which will happen, I have no doubt about that), there's many experienced furloughed pilots out there which will probably have a better chance of getting in, than a fresh-from-flightschool pilot.

I can absolutely understand your desire to go, start your training and get flying asap...but now is not the right time, at least not for an integrated course or even worse MPL.

If you want an advice: Start modular. This way you can do your PPL (...and further qualifications) get in the air, get some hours in different weather conditions (as you need at least 250h [?] anyway for the CPL) and you can always pause the training between the different qualifications at no additional cost. Gives you much more flexibility, which is utterly needed in times like this.

To be fair, in the next 2-3 years, a fATPL from ANY programme is extremely unlikely to get you into an airline. Short-term, recruiters will have many appealing candidates to choose from, specifically ones with a fair bit of relevant experience (think a couple of thousands of hours on type, trainer qualifications, history of working for highly reputable airlines etc). But that will not be the case forever. As you can see, (almost) nobody here is telling you not to become a pilot. Medium-to-long term, that's still a perfectly viable and absolutely great career path. You just need to weather a big storm in the short term - and then it's all yours. So, instead of counting on a "tagged programme" which will "help you jump the queue" for a hefty premium, spend your money wisely.

Before you even think of a PPL, start with a gliding course. It will teach you a lot of the basics at a fraction of the cost of a powered aircraft. Apart from learning a lot about flying and airmanship, you'll get involved into some pretty solid teamwork at the airfield, meet lots of great people and have a lot ot fun. And you'll have one more thing to talk about in that airline interview when the time comes.

Having gained some experience and confidence with gliders, do your PPL. And then, think of ways to make proper use of your hour building. Maybe get a share in a private aircraft and do a big trip across Europe? Maybe go for a flying holiday in the USA or in South Africa? Doing something like that instead of flying the same triangular cross-country routes from the same airfield (because, you know, someone else has got this aircraft booked in 2 hours from now) will give you some experience and confidence which will further help you keep your place in the above-average league. Also, if you happen to have some spare cash, why not do an aerobatics rating towards your total time? Another way to have fun and up your game at the same time.

Flying is all well and good, but what else can you do to become better-rounded? Have you got a degree or at least a lower-level qualification in something, preferably engineering? If not - do one. If it's not your thing, get a full-time job. Or start a small business. There comes another thing to impress the HR people with when the time comes. They absolutely love asking questions like "give me an example of a situation when..." Both higher education and work can give you lots of examples of anything. And they will also boost your contact network a lot - and that's also important.

If you try to make all this happen, 3-4 years will pass in the drop of a hat. You will still have a CPL - but you will also have experience, confidence and contacts which are totally incomparable with what you can get out of doing some "tagged" programme now and then spending another year or two doing nothing, waiting for an interview. Your call which one will benefit you more.

Bravo, sir. Nice to hear some sensible talk, and also some what inspiring.

Agreed - sensible talk indeed, my posts on this forum fully concur.

Whats alarming to me is, it seems a complete waste of time trying to communicate facts and reality on social media, including on this forum. Today we have a new phenomena called 'alternative facts', never had these in my day or before the social media explosion. Good luck to all trying to find out what the real facts are - anybody got any suggestions of where to go for them?

Bottom line, keep the flying dream alive, its in everyone future if they want it badly enough, conserve fuel (money), go modular, don't pay large sums upfront, do your research, pay as little as you can and complete your training from zero to CPL/IR for $40-50K max!