Experienced crew (likes of flybe), isn't it?

Attention : Junior Birdmen
 

Just to bring some of you Junior Birdmen ( a Sandy Thompson expression ) firmly back to Earth, please understand that attending any course, be it integrated or modular, is not an automatic meal ticket in this aviation game.

It is not uncommon for the QUALITY not to be up to standard, and although the MP type rating is issued, you fail to make the grade during line training.

It is not just Easyjet who have chopped budding recruits during this phase.

So I go back to what I have been saying during this thread, only the BETTER Junior Birdmen will make the grade, notwithstanding being issued with a shiny new CPL/IR.

Those who are commended on completion of the JOC/MCC course know they have the learning curve necessary for the next stages of their training.

Ask the Head of Training for a honest straight opinion. No weasel wording.

You will probably know the answer before you ask it anyway.

Hi parkfell, I take your point about quality basic training. There is a long history of pilots that are barely able to hold heading and height presenting themselves for CPL courses. I do not agree with your conclusion, though, that the best bet for quality training is to go to one of the big integrated schools. If you have been in the industry for a while you will know that the pass rates at some of these schools both in groundschool exams, skills tests and IRs, have at times stood very poorly in comparison with specialist modular schools. This is old information, from about four years ago, and I do not know what the pass rates have been like in the last couple of years, it may be that they have improved. There are also persistent rumours that some airlines are dissatisfied with the quality of the output from certain integrated schools, whether this is true or not I also do not know. I notice you say Easyjet have chopped candidates in line training because of poor quality, surely all Easy's cadets are integrated? All rumours, but overall I would not be so quick to say integrated = quality.

thanks guys for the advice, all is taken on board. ive decided to fit the training in with my life and to have fun with it too.

there for i have decided to do my PPL with sunrise in florida and then convert when i get back. i leave may 4th so i will do all the homework before i go. then come back have a summer muck around, then come September knuckle down until march 2016 tackling the ATPL exams and intermittently flying at newcastle air port and my skydiving dropzone C182 (if i get the nod).

then do a dirty dash back stateside to get the necessary hours before i turn up to BCFT and undertake the CPL, MEP, IR and MCC. im sure by this stage( back end of next year) i will be better equipped to make the decision on whether to undertake a MCC/JOC course together at somewhere like CRM etc.

thats my plan. lets just HOPE it works. but one things for sure ill keep trying.

Hi AW

I am sure there are some excellent exclusively Modular outfits producing a high quality product. The problem for Junior Birdmen is just knowing who they are.

Integrated courses have the benefit of continuity of training, and for well motivated bright students with aptitude, the quality product should be produced.

I take your point about the source of Easyjet trainees. It would be interesting to know just how well they did in the aptitude testing / selection process, together with their progress on the integrated course?

For the avoidance of doubt, I was a self improver via the old 700 hour route, (OATS for the IR) and visited Sandy Thomson at Booker for the ATPL brush up course for the NAV block as was.

There are some good schools that they have some "links" with a major UK regional airline at EGHH! Some of these schools provide good quality training with the double of multi time requirement!

A deeply research is the "key" in the modular path!

Bearing in mind doing it like this you will have to do the full EASA PPL exams from scratch, plus be up to speed for the skills test, unlearning any bad habits you may have picked up from leaning in the States and having to learn from scratch the rt here which is completely different.

I think you should get as much professional advice you can from various schools here and abroad to be completely sure on what you are doing. You don't just want to blow this money away, when you can go for a more structured approach and get all your training in one place.

ok BA advice heeded. i have now made contact with FIS (Fly/in/spain) based in jerez. i leave early may for them instead. EASA PPL good to go. cheers. just doing the web based ground theory revision now.