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akafrank07 17th May 2012 09:52

Aerodynamics
 
Could someone please explain to my the difference between effective weight and actual weight?
Thanks

Genghis the Engineer 17th May 2012 10:20

In what context?

G

akafrank07 17th May 2012 10:46

Hi
I've been reading the aerodynamics section on 'the technical pilot interview' book and it came up a few times in the answers, example;
The properties that affect an aircrafts stall speed:
Weight
a.Actual Weight
b.Load factor, g in a turn
c.Effective weight/center of gravity position
How does the stall speed vary with weight:
"The stall speed will increase with an increase in the aircraft's autual or effective weight"
Thanks

Genghis the Engineer 17th May 2012 10:52

At that level I'd say two factors.

(1) How much g you're pulling. In a 2 g turn, effective weight has doubled, so stall speed goes up with square root of weight.

(2) With CG, further aft CG reduces tail downforce, which reduces lift required from the mainplane, which reduces stall speed.

G

Fitter2 17th May 2012 10:55

Effective weight =
 
Mass x g + tail downforce.

Tail downforce, which adds to actual weight to increase lift (and hence lift co-efficient) is affected by c of g (forward c of g requires more tail downforce).

Genghis can give the long complicated answer if required...........

(edit - I see he has, although in the original post load factor was separated out, and I think that book considers effective weight as lift required in straight and level flight).

akafrank07 17th May 2012 12:31

Cheers lads them explanations have helped

Meikleour 17th May 2012 12:38

akafrank07: Just a thought. Try reading your theory textbooks thoroughly rather than trying to bone up on typical questions. That way you will be equipped to answer ANY question! Perhaps this is too "old school" for the internet generation?!

Lightning Mate 18th May 2012 08:28


so stall speed goes up with square root of weight.

Tut tut Genghis.

Surely you mean the square root of load factor.

Genghis the Engineer 18th May 2012 13:17

Well if you want me to get picky, stall speed goes up with (weight x load factor / MTOW)^aeroelastic coefficient.

For a rigid wing, aeroelastic coefficient is 0.5. For a non-rigid wing, the coefficient varies according to deformation with loading - a hang-glider can well be in the range 0.6-0.8.

That form of the equation is the Venton-Walters equation.

And you're unlikely to find that in many groundschool notes.

G

Genghis the Engineer 18th May 2012 13:19


Originally Posted by Meikleour (Post 7195064)
akafrank07: Just a thought. Try reading your theory textbooks thoroughly rather than trying to bone up on typical questions. That way you will be equipped to answer ANY question! Perhaps this is too "old school" for the internet generation?!

Also four different one-line question threads the same week, each with the title "aerodynamics" is both clumsy and lazy.

G

Lightning Mate 19th May 2012 13:40


That form of the equation is the Venton-Walters equation.
And you're unlikely
to find that in many groundschool notes.
It's in my own CFS notes though. ;)

Genghis the Engineer 19th May 2012 19:21


Originally Posted by Lightning Mate (Post 7198863)
It's in my own CFS notes though. ;)

Very commendable.

This reference covers it in a bit more detail if you're interested.

G

akafrank07 28th Jul 2012 19:30

Ok i'll keep that in mind to elborate more on the heading, thanks for your help guys


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