FAA ATP to JAA ATPL
I am a Captain with FAA ATP type rated on CRJ200/700/900, >10000 hours and current.
I have passed the 14 exams UK CAA new syllabus theorical exams, an FRTOL level 6 and a 1st class CAA medical. I am scheduled to do a type training on a CL604 for a Europeen employer left seat. While I am trying to schedule the type ride for issuance of the ATPL and type, I have learned that only a CAA inspector can do the ride for the issuance of an initial ATPL, not a TRE. The CAA requested 12 to 14 weeks to schedule an inspector and I cannot wait that long at the risk of losing my job. The delay is very frustrating. If I were to do a JAR commercial in the U.S (can be done in a week). Would a CL604 TRE be able to issue me a valid JAR instrument and ATPL after the type training on the CL604, instead of having to wait for an inspector? Thanks in advance for any advices anyone may have |
No, the TRE can't do it for an initial JAR licence. The CAA must observe the ride along with the TRE. That's the drama.
See if the TRE can't do the organising for you, the TRE should have known about requiring the observation from the CAA. Also, there's the fee to sort out. Where do you plan to do the LST for the CL604? If it's not in the UK, you'll be up for all the costs, ie transport and hotel. Expect to pay business class prices. :( |
The training will be done in Amsterdam. I am trying to go for a class at the end of this month. Is there any European country that will accept the CAA written exams and will schedule an ATPL practical faster than 14 weeks?
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I can't answer that, it would take sifting through the JARs (or EASA or whatever they're called next week...) with a fine toothed comb.
I would get onto the sim training provider ASAP and get them to sort it. Does the TRE in Amsterdam have the authority to sign a UK document? Welcome to the wonderful world of united Europe... :ugh: |
This is what I found,
Note that If you hold a JAR Commercial licence, a TRE (I can have one available) can do the exam, however if it is a conversion it requires an inspector (14 weeks) I am not sure if the instrument rating can be issued by a TRE or if it is required beforehand? Since I am in Florida I can do my JAR commercial on a small twin next week, this should take about two days. Here are the regs: G1.4 JAR-FCL ATPL(A) SKILL TEST REQUIREMENTS An applicant for a JAR-FCL ATPL(A) is required to: • Pass the ATPL(A) Skill Test with an authorised Type Rating Examiner. • The applicant shall demonstrate the ability to perform as Pilot-in-Command of an aeroplane type certificated for a minimum of two pilots under IFR, the procedures and manoeuvres required with a degree of competency appropriate to the privileges granted to the holder of an ATPL(A). • The Skill Test may serve as a skill test for the issue of the licence and a proficiency check for the revalidation of the type rating for the aeroplane used in the test, and may be combined with the skill test for the issue of a multi-pilot type rating. • The Skill Test may not be taken until all of the flying experience requirements for the grant of the licence have been met together with the necessary theoretical knowledge examinations. DETAILS OF THE ATPL(A) SKILL TEST ARE DETAILED IN APPENDICES 1 & 2 TO JAR-FCL 1.240 & 1.295. G1.5 JAR-FCL ATPL(A) CONVERSION OF A NON-JAA PROFESSIONAL LICENCE A professional pilot licence issued by a non-JAA State may be converted to a JAR-FCL licence provided that an arrangement exists between the JAA and the non-JAA State. This arrangement shall be established on the basis of reciprocity of licence acceptance and shall ensure that an equivalent level of safety exists between the training and testing requirements of the JAA and non-JAA State. Until such arrangements exist, the following requirements have been agreed by the JAA and are now incorporated in JAR-FCL 1.016. Non-JAA ATPL(A) The holder of a current and valid ATPL(A) issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 by a non-JAA State may be issued with a JAR-FCL ATPL(A) providing the experience requirements of JAR-FCL 1.280 have been met. Where credit is to be claimed for an ICAO licence a verification statement from the issuing authority of the ICAO State confirming the detail of the licence must be included with the application to the CAA. Applicants’ must:- • Hold a valid JAR-FCL Class 1 medical certificate; • undertake ATPL(A) theoretical knowledge instruction as determined by the Head of Training of an approved training provider, and pass ALL of the JAR-FCL theoretical knowledge examinations at ATPL(A) level; • qualify for the issue of a UK Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence (FRTOL) -Section B refers; • undertake a multi-pilot aeroplane type rating course at an approved TRTO; • pass the ATPL(A) skill test in accordance with Appendices 1 and 2 to JAR-FCL 1.240 and 1.295 with, or observed by, a CAA Flight Operations Training Inspector*. *Applicants for an observed flight test for the JAR-FCL ATPL(A) wishing to be observed overseas should note that this will only be considered where there is no possibility of the test being conducted in the UK. The applicant will be responsible for all expenses including: travel time/airfares/hotel/subsistence as well as the Training Inspectors overseas daily rate. SECTION G JAR -FCL ATPL (AEROPLANE ) |
If you do the CPL route, the Instrument rating must be observed by the CAA.
If you do the ATPL route, the LST must be observed by the CAA. However, I'm just someone who went through the process 10 years ago. I would get onto the training provider in Amsterdam and get them to hurry up the process. However, it is the UK CAA and they have been known to be overtaken by glaciers. |
If the Dutch CAA will accept your UK exams, FRTOL and medical, get a Dutch examiner and the end result should be a Dutch issued ATPL. You can always explore the "change of state of licence issue" if it still exists after EASA
GOOD LUCK! :ok: |
Anyone knows if the Dutch CAA accepts UK ATPL theorical Exams?
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