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Lightning Mate 20th Dec 2012 17:43

I set this question and submitted it to the Dutch SET a few years ago.

The fairly accurate answer is 1.13, which was rounded down to 1.1. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/smile.gif

Why not ask your tutor how to calculate the answer??

Macarto 21st Dec 2012 10:04

Can anyone explain to me how does being tail heavy, bringing CG to aft of aircraft increase its range?

Lightning Mate 21st Dec 2012 10:28

It reduces the tailplane downforce so the effective weight of the aeroplane is reduced.

This means that the wing may operate at a slightly reduced angle of attack, thus decreasing induced drag.

clkorm3 22nd Dec 2012 14:21

Question: At reference or see Loading Manual MRJT 1 Figure 4.14. The medium range twin jet transport is scheduled to operate from a departure airfield where conditions limit the take-off mass to 65050 kg. The destination airfield has a performance limited landing mass of 54500 kg. The Dry Operating Mass is 34900 kg. Loading data is as follows - Taxi fuel 350 kg Trip fuel 9250 kg Contingency and final reserve fuel 1100 kg Alternate fuel 1000 kg Traffic load 18600 kg Check the load and ensure that the flight may be operated without exceeding any of the aeroplane limits. Correct answer is:
The flight is 'landing mass' limited and the traffic load must be reduced to 17500 kg.

How is this worked out can some please help and secondly does block fuel include startup and taxi fuel.

Meikleour 22nd Dec 2012 15:44

clkorm3:you come across as a student who has not got a real grasp of your subject. I suggest you get a) a better text book b) or a new tutor rather than trying to get others to do the maths for you!!

None of these questions is difficult and is the sort of calculation that is regularly done on the line.

keith williams 22nd Dec 2012 16:29

The author of your question has specified the MRJT1 aircraft and the loading manual, he/she has then failed to apply some of the limits that are specified in the manual for this aircraft. This error has caused him/her to reach the wrong solution.

The full process is detailed below.

First use the info in the question plus the limits in the CAP696 to determine which limits are the most restrictive to each stage of the flight.

PLTOM = 65050 From question
MSTOM = 62800 From CAP 696

Neither of the above limits may be exceeded, so the Regulated Take-Off Mass RLTOM = 62800

PLLM = 54500 From question
MSLM = 54900 From CAP696

Neither of the above limits may be exceeded, so the Regulated Landing Mass RLLM = 54500

Max Structural Taxi Mass MSTM = 63060 taken from CAP696

Maximum Structural Zero Mass MZFM = 51300 taken from CAP 696.

Then use the most restrictive limits and the load values provided in the question to calculate the mass at each stage of the flight. Compare these masses with the limits to determine whether or not the limits have been exceeded.

Start/Taxi Mass
DOM 34900
Plus Taxi fuel 350
Plus Trip fuel 9250
Plus Reserve fuel 1100
Plus Alternate fuel 1000
Plus Traffic Load 18600
Total = 65200 This figure is 2140 greater than the Maximum Structural Taxi mass of 63060 so the traffic load must be reduced by 2140 to 16460 to remain within the MMSTM.

Take-off Mass
DOM 34900
Plus Trip fuel 9250
Plus Reserve fuel 1100
Plus Alternate fuel 1000
Plus Traffic Load 18600
Total = 64850 This figure is 2050 greater than the RLTOM of 62800 so the traffic load must be reduced by 2050 to 16550 to remain within the RLTOM

Landing Mass
DOM 34900
Plus Reserve fuel 1100
Plus Alternate fuel 1000
Plus Traffic Load 18600
Total = 55600 This figure is 1100 greater than the RLLM of 54500, so the traffic load must be reduced by 1100 to 17500 to remain within the RLLM


Zero Fuel Mass
DOM 34900
Plus Traffic Load 18600
Total = 53500 This figure is 2200 greater than the Maximum Zero Fuel Mass of 51300, so the traffic load must be reduced by 2200 to 14600 to remain within the MZFM limit.

None of the above limits may be exceeded, so the most restrictive condition must be applied. This is the removal of 2200 kg of traffic load to remain within the MZFM.

Lightning Mate 22nd Dec 2012 17:00

Have a great Christmas Keith.:)

keith williams 23rd Dec 2012 14:48

:DAnd you LM.

I see that you have your own thread in the Military forum. Now if that isn't fame I don't know what is! :D :D

flyer696 28th Dec 2012 18:27

Visibility: letter C instead of RVR
 
Hi!

First of all I want you to refer to jeppesen approach plates for LKPR (pages 10-9) or UUEE (pages 20-9). There is some interesting change in cycle 1225 and 1226. In old cycle when you will refer to 10-9 table with visibility minumums for NDB approach you will find visibility given in meters. If in front of the value is letter R of course that means that it's RVR. In the cycle 1226 we can find letter C in front of the value. And the letter C is introduced only in the latest database. Can somebody explain me what letter C actually means? Why there is change like that? Any JAR paragraphs?

Looking forward for fast response,

Konrad

ford cortina 28th Dec 2012 18:49

Flyer696, I am a little confused here.
Both chart numbers given, for Prague and Sheremetyeyo are Taxi Charts.

LKPR try charts 16-1 and 16-2
UUEE try charts 26-1, 26-2, 26-3 and 26-4.

I think you will find what your after there.

500 above 28th Dec 2012 18:57

Cortina

I'm also confused, guessing he's assuming the 16-1/2's for Prague. I'm wondering whether he's got some kind of a training manual for the ATPL's as I can only see mention of RVR - as expected.

ford cortina 28th Dec 2012 18:59

Thanks 500, I thought my iPad had gone loopy...:ok:

flyer696 28th Dec 2012 19:04

My mistake with LKPR. I ment only UUEE chart 20-9S1 where you can find letter C.

Thanks to "500 above" reply I'm now studying difference between CMV, VIS and RVR so thanks a lot for link.

500 above 28th Dec 2012 19:11

Take a look at EGHG for example, 16-1. You will see both RVR and CMV posted.:ok:

http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/44947...ch-plates.html

AOM for take-off and landing are either shown on Jeppesen instrument approach or aerodrome charts or on a separate minimums listing. Landing minimums will be shown as RVR, but values above 2000m will be designated as Converted Meteorological Visibility, prefixed “CMV”. Take-off minimums are shown without prefix because they are either RVR or VIS. Circling minimums are always visibilities which is indicated in the circling minimums box. For the separate minimums list- ings RVR, CMV and VIS are abbreviated as R, C and V. The following table is used to convert a reported VIS into RVR/CMV.


CONVERSION OF REPORTED MET VIS TO RVR/CMV

Lighting elements in operation
RVR/CMV = Reported MET VIS x
Day
Night
HIALS and HIRL
1.5
2.0
Any type of lighting installation other than above
1.0
1.5
No lighting
1.0
Not Applicable

From the Jepp EAWM General page 197

flyer696 28th Dec 2012 19:22

I see ;) So why sometimes they publish CMV instead of VIS? So far I assume that RVR is reported only up to RVR1500 and lets say 1600 will be reported as CMV1600.

So why in EGHG 16-1 in straight-in landing rwy 09 W/o DME we can see CMV 3000m but in circle to land there is VIS 1500 instead of CMV?

And another question according EGHG. What about minimums for airplanes not capable of CDFA (for example C172)? Is it legal to proceed through stepdown DME fixes or do they need to apply minumums only for W/o DME?

500 above 28th Dec 2012 19:36

Pretty much, if above 2000m it's now a CMV.


Landing minimums will be shown as RVR, but values above 2000m will be designated as Converted Meteorological Visibility, prefixed “CMV”
I think (a while back...) during the ATPL met ground school anything below 1500m was reported as RVR if measured by transmisometers and anything above was a visibility.

I'd just use the non CDFA minimums for a steam gauge spamcan at Yeovil if I was to operate in there, but I just used it as an example.

flyer696 28th Dec 2012 19:51

Ok so below 2000 we have RVR and above there will be CMV. What about VIS? Only in circle to land and airfields with no RVR equipment and values below 2000?

500 above 28th Dec 2012 20:20

This also has to be in mind:

DEPICTION OF EU-OPS AOM IN CASE OF EXISTING STATE MINIMUMS

If State minimums are officially published, the depiction of AOM may differ from the standard depiction where all values are expressed as RVR or CMV.
a. If RVR/CMV and VIS are charted together, the RVR value is compulsory. If no RVR is repor- ted, the VIS has to be used without conversion.
b. No prefix is charted if RVR/CMV and VIS is identical. The reported RVR is compulsory. If no RVR is reported, the VIS has to be used without conversion.
c. If only VIS is charted, the VIS has to be used without conversion.

Jepp page 206 EAWM, General.


I see So why sometimes they publish CMV instead of VIS? So far I assume that RVR is reported only up to RVR1500 and lets say 1600 will be reported as CMV1600.
Just to clarify, you will only be passed an RVR or Vis. You, the crew, calculate a CMV using the tables.

flyer696 28th Dec 2012 20:36

Thanks a lot for making me all that stuff clear ;)

Macarto 30th Dec 2012 08:46

Generator / Alternator
 
Could someone explain to me why do we use a Voltmeter to measure output for a generator but a ammeter / loadmeter to measure output for an Alternator?

mad_jock 30th Dec 2012 10:40

Its all to do with the output.

I suspect you haven't got the basic concepts abouts whats going on.

All About Circuits : Free Electric Circuits Textbooks

Try reading through that a bit and see if you can work it out yourself.

If you really get stuck just ask.

Power factor is the interesting bit :ok:

Skymaster15L 3rd Jan 2013 16:01

Va and Vno-when to use each
 
Happy New Year to Everyone.

Have been studying the limitations chapter in POF and in particular, the V-n diagram that deals with the load factor limits of the flight envelope, and the various important speeds that you find on that envelope.

Comparing the definitions of both Design maneuvering speed (Va) and Max Structural cruising speed (Vno), I am a bit confused. I would like to know what exactly is Vno useful for? I understand it is the limit above which flight should be attempted in smooth air only (no turbulence?) and then only with caution. Why is it then that everywhere else I read, it says that when encountering turbulence you should slow down below maneuvering speed, in addition to when you are engaging in maneuvers, etc.

I am aware that the definition of Va is often a varied one and commonly misunderstood by many pilots, usually along the lines that you think you are guaranteed in throwing unlimited abuse at an airplane thru abrupt control deflections, etc without having it fail as long as you are below Va, so I am not inviting to dissect this subject unless necessary in answering this post.

So based on the definitions from aviation textbooks of what each speed is, I'd simply like to know which one should be used for what then and why? I too would think Va is the more important one, since it deals with protecting the airframes structural integrity, but then I also been in many an airliner that when it has experienced turbulence, I've never perceived it to slow down a substantial amount as if it was aiming for a speed below Va. So then, in which circumstances does Vno has a practical application?

Thanks

Haroon 13th Jan 2013 15:32

hi need some help in the following two questions:

Q.1. If you correctly tuned in a VOR situated to your east, your RMI should read ___ and your OBS would read ___

a) 000; 000 with needle central and TO indicated
b) 090; 090 with needle central and FROM indicated
c) 000; 000 with needle central and FROM indicated
d) 090; 090 with needle central and TO indicated

Just cant visualize this one.

Q.2. The accuracy of a DME:

a) is approximately ±0.5nm
b) decreases with increase of range
c) increases with increase of altitude
d) is approximately ±2 nm

Which accuracy is this? Slant range accuracy increases with increase in range.

Thanks

RTN11 13th Jan 2013 15:46


a) 000; 000 with needle central and TO indicated
b) 090; 090 with needle central and FROM indicated
c) 000; 000 with needle central and FROM indicated
d) 090; 090 with needle central and TO indicated

Just cant visualize this one.

Q.2. The accuracy of a DME:

a) is approximately ±0.5nm
b) decreases with increase of range
c) increases with increase of altitude
d) is approximately ±2 nm
1) you are tracking away from the VOR, therefore have 000 at the top, with the needle centered and the From flag. It would be incorrect if it were tracking 000, with 180 on the VOR and a FROM flag, as you would be going to the VOR and indications would be in reverse sense.

2) the error decreases with range. If you are over the station at 6000' (1nm) the DME will read 1nm, even though you are at the station. At 50 miles, at 6000', the error will be far less.

Haroon 13th Jan 2013 16:00


1) you are tracking away from the VOR, therefore have 000 at the top, with the needle centered and the From flag. It would be incorrect if it were tracking 000, with 180 on the VOR and a FROM flag, as you would be going to the VOR and indications would be in reverse sense.
but in this case the VOR will be south of you, whereas the question says its situated to your east.


2) the error decreases with range. If you are over the station at 6000' (1nm) the DME will read 1nm, even though you are at the station. At 50 miles, at 6000', the error will be far less.
Yes thats why posted the question. It says accuracy decreases with increase in range.

BlueSkyLife 13th Jan 2013 16:06

For Question 1:

Imagine you are VFR for a moment. If you were to see out your window that the VOR is East of your position, then that simply means you are west of it and to (TO) get there you should fly east. Therefore, your RMI will point east as the head of the needle points to the station while the tail gives your position.

A FROM on your OBS, always think of it as your position in relation to the beacon/reference. A TO indication means you should fly East to get to the VOR, FROM means you are LOCATION about of the VOR. If your were to twist the OBS until it shows FROM and then you fly to the VOR your old conventional VOR receiver would be Reverse sensed. HSIs don't sensed revered.

Q2

DME (Distant measuring equipement) not a GPS.... is measured in slant range. The closer you get the larger the error as your aircraft height is more of an issue. So RNT11 dude hit the nail on the head for you answer.

taxistaxing 13th Jan 2013 16:51


a) 000; 000 with needle central and TO indicated
b) 090; 090 with needle central and FROM indicated
c) 000; 000 with needle central and FROM indicated
d) 090; 090 with needle central and TO indicated

Just cant visualize this one.

Q.2. The accuracy of a DME:

a) is approximately ±0.5nm
b) decreases with increase of range
c) increases with increase of altitude
d) is approximately ±2 nm
Also interested in these questions.

I'm struggling to understand the first I'm afraid. Surely if the VOR is East of your position you will be on the 270 radial and would need a 090/270 OBS selection to get "to" or "from", respectively. Why would you ever get a reading of 000? Is this talking about a relative bearing?

What does 'correctly tuned' mean. Are you tracking inbound or outbound to the beacon?

Second question, if we know the required accuracy of a DME is 1/4nm + 1.25%, we know A and D are wrong.

C is wrong (accuracy decreases with increase in altitude as the vertical 'slant' component increases), so we are left with B as the least worst option. It's true to say slant accuracy increases with range but then DME is line of sight so eventually accuracy will decrease with an increase in range, as you pass beyond line of sight of the transmitter.

Haroon 14th Jan 2013 04:45


Surely if the VOR is East of your position you will be on the 270 radial and would need a 090/270 OBS selection to get "to" or "from", respectively. Why would you ever get a reading of 000?
thats precisely why i posted the question


It's true to say slant accuracy increases with range but then DME is line of sight so eventually accuracy will decrease with an increase in range, as you pass beyond line of sight of the transmitter.
i was also thinking on these terms but not quite sure if this is really the reason.

bayblade 14th Jan 2013 05:37

Is it possible that the question Q1. is incorrect?

Haroon 14th Jan 2013 05:41

i think it is!

how are your ground classes going :cool:

hvogt 14th Jan 2013 08:47

In my opinion the correct answer to the first question would be d). An RMI has no TO/FROM indication, so if the station is to your east, the needle will indicate east. As for the TO/FROM indication, it should indicate TO with 090 selected on the OBS.

Haroon 14th Jan 2013 09:18

thats right, i think the question is wrongly marked

thanks everyone for your feedback :ok:

bayblade 15th Jan 2013 03:46

going good by God's grace:)

Haroon 19th Jan 2013 14:47

Any idea about this one?

What is the PRF given 50 micro second pulse width and a range of 30 nm:

1620 pps
810 pps
3240 pps
3086 pps

What I know is:

Max Theoretical Range = c / 2 x PRF

30 = c/2prf

prf = 2700

Am i missing something, like something to do with 50 micro second pulse width or there is something else to it?

thanks

RichardH 19th Jan 2013 15:21

Long time since I did this but I THINK its 81000/50 = 1620 but can't remember why!

taxistaxing 19th Jan 2013 15:44

That's a strange one.

Using 162000 nm/sec as SOL I make D the closest. A seems to equal 50 nm not 30.

Haroon 19th Jan 2013 15:46

i think there's a typo in the question. It must be 50 nm

NoJoy 20th Jan 2013 03:16

This was great help thanks a lot guys!

paco 20th Jan 2013 05:54

There are 96 articles and 18 Annexes, of which only about 6 are questioned on. Facilitation?

You are not expected to know the fine details of contents of the articles, but definitions (sovereignty, etc) would be worth swotting up on.

Also customs requirements and the 5 (out of the 9) freeedoms.

Phil

mad_jock 20th Jan 2013 08:35

In real life its Facilitation and Dangerous goods your most likely to come across.


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