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JoeyTribbiani 8th Nov 2022 17:46


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 11326967)
Every single thing you mention in this post was already mentioned on this forum over 3 yrs ago now. It's nothing new, unfortunately it seems you just didn't look for/find it ... anyhow, you will finish your training at some point. I know all about these problems, you will get there in the end though.


I totally agree withmindaugenius and actually he didn't even mentioned everything as it is just endless.
What is new, is that now the situation has worsen, so if it was worse before imagine what it is now.
BAA Training is now using special attorney to help them scam their students legally.

And Yes you are right we got there in the end but because WE HAD NO CHOICE! I'd like to see you investing more than 100K(Training fee, accommodation and other expenses for 2 years) having made a mortgage, money borrowed from relatives and friends and to decide to GIVE UP.

If BAA would have refund us, NO A SINGLE ONE would have gone to the end like you said.

I am not saying that 100% have been scammed or had very bad experience with BAA TRAINING, But when you make some statistics and realised that the biggest majority is unsatisfied, something is definitely wrong.

Yes if we didn't like the school we shouldn't have signed up. And that's the reason of students from this school raise up their voice. Because we got blinded and scammed and WE DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE getting the same experience.

Any ATO/ flights school has they own issues. Some are delays with theories, others with maintenance and not flying, some others is bad instructors.

But BAA TRAINING IS ALL OF THEM and X1000000.

Kind regards

LY-BAQ

JoeyTribbiani 8th Nov 2022 17:56

I support all the BAA students and ex-students that are unhappy with their training generally because they are just telling the truth and what the majority is experiencing, just look at how many happy comments you can find vs bad ones.

At the end of the day, it's your money. It's like your ass, you give to who you want, it's your choice. No offense.

We, just as a pilot community, are trying to warn people in the hope you'll get a better way to the cockpit and learn from others mistakes. If you don't understand that concept (learning from others mistakes) you probably have nothing to do here in Aviation.

Warm wishes

LY-FTN

BoeingLudo737 9th Nov 2022 10:28


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 11327171)
Honestly that wasn't my experience at all, I had no issue with jobs after graduating.

Glad to hear but we all know that they are not a great outfit

mindaugenius 10th Nov 2022 09:59


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 11328155)
Guys, I myself went to BAA and went through the Lleida movie etc. I sat for 4 months with not 1 flight hr. I took a flight to go there to train and rented an apartment (paid deposit etc) in preparation for the next phase only to show up at the briefing and be told "actually you are now rescheduled until after Christmas". Bye bye deposit, time to get another flight home and somehow explain it all to my family. Me and many of my colleagues at the time posted many warnings about what was going on. If anyone chose to ignore that's fine, but nobody can claim there was no warning. We witnessed serious management changes (and their best senior instructors all quitting) and raised the flag that prospective students should stay away. You took the risk to ignore the warnings and now it is backfiring.

Anyhow, all of my class did find jobs in the end, the only ones still unemployed have visa (non EU/UK) issues. In fact I know very few unemployed even from classes before and after me, the ones who are got laid off by wizz during covid, nothing to do with BAA.​​​​​​​

I do genuinely hope it works out for you guys and you get get into the job market as quickly as possible.​​​​​​​

at least they told you when you can be expected to be scheduled again and you could go back home. If your situation happened to someone now they'd just say mañana mañana you will be scheduled , make you come all the way to the airport the next days and after, cancel you and repeat the same mantra and make you sit in Lleida till Christmas and beyond. And if you do go home, they won't even schedule you anymore because " we told you that you will be scheduled tomorrow so why did you go home"

A320LGW 10th Nov 2022 11:49


Originally Posted by mindaugenius (Post 11328386)
at least they told you when you can be expected to be scheduled again and you could go back home. If your situation happened to someone now they'd just say mañana mañana you will be scheduled , make you come all the way to the airport the next days and after, cancel you and repeat the same mantra and make you sit in Lleida till Christmas and beyond. And if you do go home, they won't even schedule you anymore because " we told you that you will be scheduled tomorrow so why did you go home"

You are describing exactly what has happened in Lleida since day 1 of operations in 2018. Students sitting around going each day to see if they'll fly. Constantly checking the schedule to see if their name is on it. Even some students fighting and trying to step on one another to get lessons before each other. Suddenly your instructor has quit. Eventually you get another .. but the schedule guy seems to have forgotten about you (he schedules students he likes). Eventually you get an instructor and a slot, you show up to fly but sorry the plane is now tech and it'll take 3 days to fix. Plane is good now? Hang on, we're in a cloud now .. no flying today. This has been happening there for 4 yrs. We also went about 4 months with no mep training (late 2018/early 19). Not a single lesson completed. One crashed and the other was tech. Not a single person ever finished or trained on the date they got told.

lleidapilot 10th Nov 2022 12:38


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 11328447)
You are describing exactly what has happened in Lleida since day 1 of operations in 2018. Students sitting around going each day to see if they'll fly. Constantly checking the schedule to see if their name is on it. Even some students fighting and trying to step on one another to get lessons before each other. Suddenly your instructor has quit. Eventually you get another .. but the schedule guy seems to have forgotten about you (he schedules students he likes). Eventually you get an instructor and a slot, you show up to fly but sorry the plane is now tech and it'll take 3 days to fix. Plane is good now? Hang on, we're in a cloud now .. no flying today. This has been happening there for 4 yrs. We also went about 4 months with no mep training (late 2018/early 19). Not a single lesson completed. One crashed and the other was tech. Not a single person ever finished or trained on the date they got told.

and if you manage to bring this up to the managements all they'll say is " but this is what you have signed up for" " this is aviation"

cavok370 24th Nov 2022 14:58

BAA and its cadets programs are just a scam, cadets program being just a bait for the future pilots full of ambition and passion for the job. Wizz air ran away from them , Turkish airlines did the same , the poor management of this school and its incompetent managers is impossible to hide , as this has been mentionned lots of times in this thread. They will reply to your first emails at the speed of light , but as soon as the money is sent you will find out that they will reply less and less and at one point you will be left alone , this is how they work .

To make it short for anyone interested in BAA,: GO AWAY FROM THIS SCHOOL:as independant or cadet programs, it will be one of the best choices you have ever met in your avaition life ( btw its Vueling and Volotea but they love BAA so much that they hide themselves from it , and the new avion express program , i will take care of explaining you what happened to one of my classmates you won't be dissapointed)

BAA flight school: Theory: Used to be quite balanced in term of content during my time there ( about 2 years ago) : instructors were average , some good , some didnt know why they were standing in a classroom .... The management was quite poor , difficult to get a planning or help about anything..
Flight Training: I won't be long on that one , 95% of whats mentionned about in LLieda base and all the management around is absolutely true, very chaotic especially if you start vfr in november... good luck.

The big highlight of BAA to me would be the lack of communication and informations, as a customer you are left on the side like a kid , no matter how much you paid , how long you have been with them, they don't care , emails are useless as you don't get answered, not much more chances for the calls , the only solution is to see the managers in person that only manage to do a big smile saying they are sorry and everything will be ok , or the famous : this is aviation...

BAA Type Rating via Avion express: This is the spicy one , to make it short its what happened recently to one of my classmates that got enrolled in Avion express cadet program somewhere in 2018, Avion promised him and other cadets to get a F/O postition as well as 500h on A320 after the succesful completion of all the training+Type rating ( which is succeed without any problem). Very attractive isn't? So he made all his training without issues, reports got sent to Avion every months ( or they pretend to). Unfortunately when he finished his training ( 2 years ago or something like that) Covid slowed down terribly all operations, and they put the cadets on standby until may or june this year , calling him and other cadets for the type rating (29 000 euros from their pocket by the way), he passed the type rating through baa type rating, which is apprently the same disaster as baa flight school in terms of information , support and professionalism, in the middle of the type rating , avion asked him to do a full set of interviews and online tests ( mentionned nowhere in the contract and that was said verbally to be happening in december or january) The test were not as prepared as they should have been as it got mentionned barely a week before, difficult to prepare something else than type rating for those who have been through it ...
He passed without issues the skill test in october if im correct , and the week after he got an email from Avion saying bye bye thank you for your interest without any reason , neither second chance...To summarize this guy is now jobless , with an a320 type rating paid for 29 000 euros. So be really carefull guys, this friend was really serious and dedicated for this job and they didn't let him it ... Fortunately for my case i didnt choosed avion and im now flying for another airline as i got lucky, but i find it relevant to let you know about whats happening behind the scenes in BAA and their partners, remember :BAA , Avion Express and Smartlynx are all part of the same company :Avia Solutions Group.

His base training part is also very funny if i dare to say that : he got notified 6 days before only , ( all expenses to be for the trainee account of course) to be in Lleida Spain. And upon landing in BCN the evening of the day before him and his mates got an email of cancellation due to the provider of the plane to able to give one)... he lost around 350 euros for that messy planning and found out a day after that other guys from Avion did the Base Training on the dates my friend had been given before.....3 weeks passed since this happened and he is unable to reachout managers there to get any informations and he is waiting at home, cannot find a job due to the short notice of BAA, and wasting time and money , this is really terrible.

I thought it was necessary for the sake of aviation to add comment and experiences from pilots that passed in BAA , in order to avoid people to fall in that scam, there are other flight schools in europe way better than BAA , be reminded that BAA is only good at marketing, once the money send, be ready to be treated like nothing but a number.

Avoid BAA at all costs , and fly safe !

cavok370

A320LGW 25th Nov 2022 20:48

Good points cavok370 Let's hope future potential students pay attention to these warnings, unlike those who joined in 2018 and ignored all of the warnings given at the time about the chaos. Also, I'd stay away from all the large schools. L3, CAE, BAA, etc, all a disaster and have the same modus operandi. The other schools, unlike BAA, however, are very good at tracking who is who on here and so their students are too scared to post anything.

gigachad 12th Dec 2022 07:20

LOL they're trying to lure in more students now with a fake cadet program with Vueling. Before anyone takes the bait, ask the management if any of their LOT cadets got a job with LOT

carreidas 8th Jan 2023 22:28

You mean he was a former Avion express cadet from the 2018-ish period, got finally invited to pass TR this year and got screwed right in the middle of the TR training with just no explanation at all from the company ? I would understand that an external airline (out of Avia Solution Group) revoks partnerships, but EVEN sister companies too? Or is it another reason why your friend didn't get his chance ? What about the others? I thought some Avion express cadets already joined the airline and were currently happily flying for them.

Good luck to the last Avion express cadets still in the pool if there are some...

At this stage I really wonder why is BAA still standing up...Maybe Smartlynx is the last real cadet program worth mentionning the name "cadet program"...and yet, I know a lot of former Avion Epress joined eventually this company instead. They just passed the selection at their ATO with success. So no need for the long, exhausting and pricey integrated ATPL program at BAA prior to join Smartlynx.

BAA had everything into their hands during those golden years (2017-2019) with Wizz, Avion express, Smartlynx, Turkish, Lot...At the end, what remains from these partnerships? Nothing. Because they were so dodgy, they lost both students and airlines confidence. They had everything to compete with the CAE/FTE/L3 ATO stars in terms of job opportunities and partnerships.

This is just sad, this is such a waste. I almost feel sorry for them

NOVAA 20th Jan 2023 07:25

Hi guys!
We are now in 2023... Can anyone gives a honest update on ab-initio training at BAA? How is situation with flying in Spain and Lithuania?
Really appreciate your response as making a decision to enroll into they program or not...

lleidapilot 20th Jan 2023 11:54


Originally Posted by NOVAA (Post 11370016)
Hi guys!
We are now in 2023... Can anyone gives a honest update on ab-initio training at BAA? How is situation with flying in Spain and Lithuania?
Really appreciate your response as making a decision to enroll into they program or not...

hey mate I graduate end of december and I adivse against it. Groundschool was okay for me and to befair its high quality but the flight training is a disaster. Although one of the main ground school instructors who taught gnav and almost half of the subjects has left the school for a job in an airline so idk if it will be of the same quality now .
If you are in contact with the managers just ask them what their fleet it? in their website theysay 8 cessnas and 2 mep. in reailty 3 cessna and 0 mep. ask them why are they false advertising. ask them what % of the fleet they fly. Ask them about maintenance, each plane has to go to maintenance after 50h in service, ask them where do these planes go and how long it takes to get them back. What happens if a plane breaks down at base, how long does it take to get it fixed? Why do they not have maintenance at in Lleida? Ask about the weather in Lleida, summer heat and how does this affect flying, what about the winter fog and cancellations because of that. About cadet programs ask about the success of LOT cadets. Did these cadets get a job as they were advertising? How does BAA help their graduates in finding a job? Ask them also about your rights, in your contract you have none, ask them what happens if there is a delay due to BAA's fault?
They have modified the contract so that nothing is BAA's fault. "Oh we are not responsible for delay if its weather" oh but you chose a base where the temperature goes above 40c in the summer and prone to strong stroms (period lasts about 3 weeks) and where it gets so foggy in the winter that you cannot see 6 meters in front of you and this fog lasts the entire day (period lasts 2-3 months), and both of these phenoma ofc cancel all the flights. "We are not responsible for delay for maintenance" yes but you donyt have maintainence at base and you have to ferry the aircraft to other airports for maintaincance and as well you pay for cheap and poor quality maintainance, so when theaircraft does come back it breaks down again after 2-3 days. " We are not responsible if instructor not availaible" you treated all the insrtuctors like **** with bad salary and rostering and when the airlines opened their doors they all left. This is the contract part. you have no way to beat this. nothing is their fault in case of delay and everything is your fault. If you bring this problem up, they will 'forget' to schedule you and not answer your calls emails texts etc.
The multi crewcoordination course is arranged in barcelona. The simulator and the facility is amazing but this is meant for type rating candidates NOT ab initio students. As an ab initio student , even though you have already paid for this, you will be on the bottom of the priority list and ALL the simulator schedules will be filled by type rating candidates or recurrent trainees. They will give you odd hours in short notice like at 8pm theyll tell you ok you have MCC course tomorrow in barcelona at 4am. you arrange your own transportation, accommodation in this period.
In an integrated course if you are uhappy with a school you cannot switch to another school, well theoretically but it is a hassle and youd have to start training from ground 0. It's better to go modular and not to pay up front.
If you really want to deal with BAA then you have to agree to NOT to pay upfront. I emphasise this. You are only a customer before giving the money, after paying you are a liability.
But aswell it doesnt make sense to do training with BAA, it is not fast nor is it cheap. A cadet program does not even land you at the airline they promised you. I suggest to look elsewhere.

Warlock1 20th Jan 2023 15:17


Originally Posted by NOVAA (Post 11370016)
Hi guys!
We are now in 2023... Can anyone gives a honest update on ab-initio training at BAA? How is situation with flying in Spain and Lithuania?
Really appreciate your response as making a decision to enroll into they program or not...

Have you read the reviews here? And you are still considering this place??!? Man you deserve what’s coming up your way

NOVAA 23rd Jan 2023 03:30

Lledapilot & Warlock1
Thank you guys for response !
I am definitely looking for other ATO. I contacted BAA about one year ago- and sure I am read all reviews! I've been constantly contacted by Ad-Initio Project Manager - very actively by the end of the year /beginning of this year. I did ask a questions and quoted some of the reviews from this trend. Interested what I got in response :

1. More planes been add to Lleida base - Tecnams and brand new C172 in addition to already 8 aircrafts up there. There is a plenty of aircrafts available and student- to-aircraft ratio no more than 5 to 1 ...
2. Sure we do aircraft maintenance at base in Lleda ! There was an some small issues with aircraft maintenance before - but we fixed everything!
3. We have a plenty of highly qualified instructors and we keeped at the student-to-instructor ratio of no more than 6 to 1...
4. Weather delays are minimum.
5. All students on time for program completion except those who lazy and not concentrating on study and flying.
6. Accommodations in Lleda is very affordable and you'll have a plenty to choose from...

As I can see they are lying about everything... I hope some of the students(or pilots) who is in Lleda now can posted honest report on what is going on upthere - so new guys not getting burn...

lleidapilot 23rd Jan 2023 23:30


Originally Posted by NOVAA (Post 11371809)
Lledapilot & Warlock1
Thank you guys for response !
I am definitely looking for other ATO. I contacted BAA about one year ago- and sure I am read all reviews! I've been constantly contacted by Ad-Initio Project Manager - very actively by the end of the year /beginning of this year. I did ask a questions and quoted some of the reviews from this trend. Interested what I got in response :

1. More planes been add to Lleida base - Tecnams and brand new C172 in addition to already 8 aircrafts up there. There is a plenty of aircrafts available and student- to-aircraft ratio no more than 5 to 1 ...
2. Sure we do aircraft maintenance at base in Lleda ! There was an some small issues with aircraft maintenance before - but we fixed everything!
3. We have a plenty of highly qualified instructors and we keeped at the student-to-instructor ratio of no more than 6 to 1...
4. Weather delays are minimum.
5. All students on time for program completion except those who lazy and not concentrating on study and flying.
6. Accommodations in Lleda is very affordable and you'll have a plenty to choose from...

As I can see they are lying about everything... I hope some of the students(or pilots) who is in Lleda now can posted honest report on what is going on upthere - so new guys not getting burn...

Hi i am still in lleida, because actually I am from here. I live here and even though I graduated BAA 6 weeks ago , I am still very much in touch with what is happening at the flight school, because I meet my friends who are in the school daily, we live closeby (because they dont fly due to weather), please do not ignore my review, it still holds true . BAA are blatantly lying to you.

1. This is an outright lie. They are infact removing planes instead of adding them (selling tecnam p2002). They might have 8 planes 10 planes , but it does not matter, because only 3-4 flies and the rest is on the ground . And still, they do not have a single multi engine aircraft. Ask the management where is their multiengine aircraft, why are they advertising 2 if they have 0?
2. Then why is their own multiengine aircraft still on the ground waiting to be fixed?
3. I love that they quote student instructor ratio, ask them numbers, how many instructors they have and how many students? Turns out they dont have a lot of students nor instructors , which is why they are quoting a ratio and not a number. And also ask them how many instructors they had in 2021 or beginning of 2022? why did they leave :D ?
4. nop.lies. ask them about statistics from previous years
5. HAHAHA , ask them again about previous students, even famous ones from instagram- luke flood how long was his delay? pilotjonathan how long was his delay? actually you dont need to ask this because they posted their school timeline on instragram and publically so you can see when they started groundschool and when they finished. ask them why is everyone complaining about delay, is everyone lazy? BAA is dilligent XD ?
6. Its a small town with a university, good luck with acommodation, because university students take most of it. It is also quite unsafe. trust me I am from here.

If you really want to see the crux of the situation, ask them to send you a contract so you can read it. It has one million things about delays and how it is not BAA’s fault, they dont want to take any responsibility.



NOVAA 24th Jan 2023 05:06

Wow...
Thank you Bro!
Definitely will stay away from that place... I expected that situation up there complicated but its totally disaster ...
How many students and instructors in Lleda now?

Aspiringpilot123 25th Jan 2023 06:04

Guys, I'm also planning to join BAA in the Spain. I'm from India basically. Guys, should I join BAA for ATPL program costing 70k? Looks like their network is good, and also recommend good students to their partnering airlines. Comment on it please and also provide better alternative academies if any.

lleidapilot 25th Jan 2023 09:20


Originally Posted by Aspiringpilot123 (Post 11373300)
Guys, I'm also planning to join BAA in the Spain. I'm from India basically. Guys, should I join BAA for ATPL program costing 70k? Looks like their network is good, and also recommend good students to their partnering airlines. Comment on it please and also provide better alternative academies if any.

first of all no visa support, student does everything alone (there is an indian in the academy and there were moroccans, libyans, russians etc all same story) , people here in lleida base in spain are very very racist to indians ( it has got to do with the fact that there are many pakistanis and they have a bad reputation and as you look alike you get caught in the crossfire, constant police harassment, people do NOT like you at all, sometimes you will be denied entry from places).
BAA do not recommend anyone to any airlines, in fact even their own cadets from the LOT program did not get any job. If they do not even recommend EU citizens how do you think they can recommend non EU citizens? BAA do not have any network whatsoever, they are a company owned by avia soultions and their only ties are with other companies owned by avia. Turkish airlines stopped their partnership with BAA, LOT did not take on any of their cadets even to the interview, Wizz air cancelled their contract and instead trains their own cadets at other schools and now Vueling is ghosting BAA and not replying to any of their queries regarding their *partnership* , not a single person has been invited to even an interview through BAA, would you trust a company with a track record like this? Do not in any circumstances join BAA because of their airlines connections, cos the truth is that they have none. Any of their students that they post on instagram about getting a job with airline xyz is because of the students own hard work, BAA did NOTHING to help them
you made a comment without even reading any of the reviews which were published as latest as december november last year....

lleidapilot 25th Jan 2023 09:28

regarding other academies im sorry but you have to do your own research. I've heard that AFTA is good, Bartolini in poland. But one thing is for sure is that companies generally don't tend to hire non eu citizens, so dont fall into the fallacy of getting a job with a european airline after. study in india and join an indian company

gigachad 25th Jan 2023 10:51

a school not worth going to . Reports from alumnis who have done simulator preparation at a 3rd party company for a well known irish company's interview have stated that the training captains were not happy with their skills, and even made the assumption that they are BAA graduates as their skills, or more like the lack of it , led the captains to believe this, despite no previous knowledge of the trainees background and where they graduated from. Many of these trainers bet their pensions on BAA graduates NOT PASSING the assessment for this irish company.
Reports from one of BAAs previous airline partner companies, a well known low cost eastern european airline, was unimpressed with the level of the cadets BAA were releasing for the airline, many of them failed the company simulator check, which eventually led to the termination of the contract.
Take these events into careful consideration :ok:

lleidapilot 11th Feb 2023 16:40

A video promo of BAAtraining :8 https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYM22MEP/ a slightly more honest one

Warlock1 15th Feb 2023 11:27


Originally Posted by lleidapilot (Post 11384134)
A video promo of BAAtraining :8 https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYM22MEP/ a slightly more honest one

there was also a Facebook page, full of hilarious memes about BAA but can’t find it now! 😊

lleidapilot 15th Feb 2023 16:16


Originally Posted by Warlock1 (Post 11386185)
there was also a Facebook page, full of hilarious memes about BAA but can’t find it now! 😊

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100067742255770 might be this you're referring to

Warlock1 15th Feb 2023 19:52


Originally Posted by lleidapilot (Post 11386345)

🤣🤣🤣

gigachad 26th Feb 2023 11:51

went to their booth in pilotexpo berlin 24-25.2.23. red haired marketing lady super agressive from the get go.
asked about vueling program. "WHeN Do YUo WaNT To stArt?! dO yOu waNT TO STarT noW?!!" no questions really answered. asked them the fact that vueling hasnt taken back any of their laid off pilots yet, nor have they opened open positions for pilots in their careers page nor do they have any orders for new ac etc. no comment on that. '"We HaVE program wiTH VueLiNG"
talked with their stooge student they brought. how many planes do you have. We fly 5 he said. Well your website says 11. No comment on that. Asked this to the marketing lady. Yes we have 11 planes 8 sep cessnas and 2 mep tecnams.
So then i asked why is their MEP in EAS barcelonas colours. No comment. Said that was confidential reason.
Then i asked why none of their LOT cadets or Avion cadets got hired or even called to the interview and to this the red haired womans face started to match her hair. She got very mad "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAD COVID AND FOR 2 YEARS EVERYTHING WAS STOPPED BLAH BLAH BLAH" then i pointed out but LOT is hiring NTR people with minimum hours from flight school and Avion as well had a booth at pilot expo berlin trying to entice straight out of flight school people. She didnt want to talk to me after.
Another lie which she told was that BAA has an enormous amount of instructors from different airlines, but this is false. The instructors who are in the airlines work in the type rating dept not ab initio flight training.
I talked with FlyBy school as well, at their booth and they mentioned that a few of ex BAA flight instructors moved to FlyBy to teach instead as the treatement there was better. And BAA has been trying to lease their multi engine aircraft but FlyBy denied it - take this info as you wish i don't know why the FlyBy guy was talking about plane leasing, but maybe BAA doesn't have any of their own multi engine aircraft.

Anyways guys keep out of this school. It seems like they were very desperate and they were very aggressive from the beginning. Most of the stuff which came out of their mouths were lies and half truths.
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​​​​​​unfortunately they are good with marketing and brought pretty ladies to their booth so many people were interested. unfortunately sex sells in aviation as well :/

flybyschool 26th Feb 2023 23:23


Originally Posted by gigachad (Post 11391880)
I talked with FlyBy school as well, at their booth and they mentioned that a few of ex BAA flight instructors moved to FlyBy to teach instead as the treatement there was better. And BAA has been trying to lease their multi engine aircraft but FlyBy denied it - take this info as you wish i don't know why the FlyBy guy was talking about plane leasing, but maybe BAA doesn't have any of their own multi engine aircraft.
:/

onky because you mention us, I would like to clarify your comments about FlyBy and BAA.

It is our policy to never speak poorly of anyone… specially other flight schools. This post will follow those guidelines.

Yes, we hired 2 instructors that previously worked at BAA. One was a FlyBy graduated pilot that started working with us but went to work for them… and wanted to come back almost immediately but he stayed there for some years, if I am not mistaken.
The second instructor joined us un August and we are very happy with his performance.
There is a maintenance manager that also came from BAA to work with us but due to personal problems had to resign. I heard he may have gone back to BAA but I am not 100% sure.
Although we give preference to our students for TKI and FI positions, we also incorporate Instructors from other schools to support our growth. 4 instructors just started working with us recently

Several years ago, BAA contacted us for dry-lease of twin engines. We only offered to complete the ME training for them but we never agreed on the cost of the service so they went on to find a different solution

BAA has approached FlyBy in several occasions with different projects but we never found a mutually beneficial solution so have never worked with them

we don’t have any knowledge about the rest of the allegations presented here

FlyBy

lleidapilot 7th Mar 2023 17:45

no one gives a single eff which instructors go where, the most dangerous part of this academy is it’s ability to draw in students through fake airline partnerships ie. the recent vueling program, because ultimately this is what people look for at the end of their training. a guaranteed job offer despite problems with fleet training equipment staff

GUYS BAA TRAINING HAS A HISTORY OF DELIVERING UNSUCCESSFUL CADET PROGRAMS, IT ALL STARTED WITH SMALL PLANET CADET PROGRAM (NO ONE GOT A JOB WITH SMALL PLANET) THEN IT WENT TO AVION EXPRESS CADET PROGRAM WHICH IS OWNED BY THE SAME PARENT COMPANY AS BAA (NO ONE AGAIN GOT A JOB) AND NOW THE LATEST VICTIMS HAVE BEEN LOT POLISH AIRLINE CADETS WHO ALSO DID NOT GET A JOB. I HOPE ANYONE WITH 3 BRAINCELLS EVEN CONSIDERING THE FAKE VUELING PROGRAM CAN SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING AND THIS PATTERN OF CADETS NOT GETTING A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!! BAA TRAINING GOT THEIR MONEY CADETS DIDNT GET THE JOB!!!!!!!

Warlock1 8th Mar 2023 16:58

I was actually at the Berlin Pilots Expo and just for the hell of it, I hang around at the boot next to them and listened to this tall blonde lady trying to convince some poor young kids. Literally after 3-4 minutes when I realized I am about to burst out laughing, I simply left 😆😆

mindaugenius 5th Apr 2023 14:26

BAA has been caught up in another controversy where one of their instructors has been transporting spare parts to Russia amid sanctions.
Do keep this in mind when choosing your FTO guys :O unfortunately for us students and alumni, our reputation has been down to the ground due to the dodginess surrounding this mafia of an organization.

TheEdge 5th Apr 2023 15:13


Originally Posted by mindaugenius (Post 11415139)
BAA has been caught up in another controversy where one of their instructors has been transporting spare parts to Russia amid sanctions.
Do keep this in mind when choosing your FTO guys :O unfortunately for us students and alumni, our reputation has been down to the ground due to the dodginess surrounding this mafia of an organization.

The entire Aviasolution Group its a huge russian money-laundering exercise, Smartlynx, Avion and the rest are just the results of those scumbags criminal plans.

If after all the posts above, someone still fall down for one of those companies, well then he/she deserves to be ripped off.

Jokesonyou 26th Apr 2023 13:11

I wonder, how the private affairs of a part-time employee can be reflected on the whole company? Your point makes absolutely no sense.. Instructor had a side hustle and got caught doing something questionable, that is on him. The only reason why BAA was mentioned in all of this is that he sometimes works for them as an instructor.. It is crazy how you can point a narrative just one way ;)

On the other note, it feels like this forum is full of unsuccessful wannabe pilots, who thought they are entitled to something.. Crying about issues that were relevant a couple years ago.. Time goes by and things improve. Sad experience of underachievers is relevant but it definitely does not paint a complete picture and definitely does not represent the current situation. Anyway, training business is highly regulated, which leaves small margins to maneuver. It is up to students, to grind and learn everything to the best of abilities

Issues with cadet programs? Sure, but how come the training company gets blamed for unfulfilled promises form airlines? BAA does not guarantee you job, airlines give you that commitment. It is all laid out in the engagement letters.
Fake cadet program? really? :D If it would be fake, don't you think that an airline would take legal action if that would be true?

The amount of gossip here is just on another level, especially from people who claimed that graduated recently. I wonder why they are not sharing the part where BAA proactively helps them book interviews with airlines :)

Sure, there are some minor issues, but nothing so dramatic that makes you say "reputation has been down to the ground" .

All in all, since it actually is a rumor network, I guess it is pretty obvious as to what type of people come here ;) Cheers, and happy pilot's day guys!

isitreallyme 29th Apr 2023 12:52


Originally Posted by Jokesonyou (Post 11426181)
I wonder, how the private affairs of a part-time employee can be reflected on the whole company? Your point makes absolutely no sense.. Instructor had a side hustle and got caught doing something questionable, that is on him. The only reason why BAA was mentioned in all of this is that he sometimes works for them as an instructor.. It is crazy how you can point a narrative just one way ;)

On the other note, it feels like this forum is full of unsuccessful wannabe pilots, who thought they are entitled to something.. Crying about issues that were relevant a couple years ago.. Time goes by and things improve. Sad experience of underachievers is relevant but it definitely does not paint a complete picture and definitely does not represent the current situation. Anyway, training business is highly regulated, which leaves small margins to maneuver. It is up to students, to grind and learn everything to the best of abilities

Issues with cadet programs? Sure, but how come the training company gets blamed for unfulfilled promises form airlines? BAA does not guarantee you job, airlines give you that commitment. It is all laid out in the engagement letters.
Fake cadet program? really? :D If it would be fake, don't you think that an airline would take legal action if that would be true?

The amount of gossip here is just on another level, especially from people who claimed that graduated recently. I wonder why they are not sharing the part where BAA proactively helps them book interviews with airlines :)

Sure, there are some minor issues, but nothing so dramatic that makes you say "reputation has been down to the ground" .

All in all, since it actually is a rumor network, I guess it is pretty obvious as to what type of people come here ;) Cheers, and happy pilot's day guys!

Haha, poor BAA employee trying to blame others for the stuff they've messed up, i wonder who you are? :D :)
Can you elaborate please? Seems like you know more stuff about this circus of a flightschool than recent graduates. Tell us more please!
How did things improve? How is it the fault of the Cadets if BAA ghosts the cadets once theyre done with the training?

Maybe if you would have just focused more on the actual issues instead of luring around here blaming students, things actually would start to change.

Nustokite kabinti makaronus man ant ausų :}


Aleks93 2nd May 2023 14:34

I heard exactly same feedback. Not much of student support. Good advertisement, but in reality should be considered and checked twice before joining

gigachad 8th May 2023 13:56

We have a very smooth brained comment here. It is commendable that you are going against BAA critics, I do respect the courage, as it takes some amount of cognitive dissonance and intellectual disability to come to your conclusions. And it is indeed brave of you to show so openly a lack of inductive reasoning to an audience who are already familiar with ways and nature of this training organization. However I regret to inform you that none of you arguments have actually any weight nor any hints of empiricism. They are just words backed by nothing: no names, no proof, no evidence. And not to mention most them are fallacious.
As I was never a BAA student I will not be able to debunk the majority of your claims but for the purpose of entertainment I'll play along to your argument. :)

Originally Posted by Jokesonyou (Post 11426181)
I wonder, how the private affairs of a part-time employee can be reflected on the whole company? Your point makes absolutely no sense.. Instructor had a side hustle and got caught doing something questionable, that is on him. The only reason why BAA was mentioned in all of this is that he sometimes works for them as an instructor.. It is crazy how you can point a narrative just one way ;)

Surely it is up to the organization to take the necessary steps to determine what kind of employees they are hiring. You mention that the training business is highly regulated therefore illicit activities of an individual employee definitely do expose a companies inadherence/non-compliance of those so called strict regulations. It further shows that BAA Training does not really care about the quality of training/safety of students, nor do they care about what kind of personas are dwelling within their company as this occurrence uncovers the fact that they have no interest in carrying out necessary checks on employees and hire whoever is willing to bite the bullet of **** pay and poor treatment. This is additionally seen in their management hierarchy, where the current head of training of ground school is no where nearly related to aviation, has no prior experience in aviation, no relevant expertise , but instead carries a masters in history and a bachelors in arts.... and this is not the first time BAA has managed to hire literally anyone into important positions. Their previous ab initio director of flight operations was an Uber worker in Australia, with no previous history nor any sort of expertise in aviation...after making as much money he could he left to become a COO of his family run kitchen supply store...again which has nothing to do with aviation.
Normal people see a pattern of low recruitment standards. People who lack pattern recognition scratch their heads and wonder why companies who hire anyone and everyone, are blamed when their employees are caught doing illicit activities.

gigachad 8th May 2023 14:43


Originally Posted by Jokesonyou (Post 11426181)
Fake cadet program? really? :D If it would be fake, don't you think that an airline would take legal action if that would be true?

this is an appeal to probability. A fallacious argument which takes something for granted because it might probability be the case, but a mere probability does not correlate to a certainty.
Companies generally take legal action when there is something to lose ie. money, reputation etc. OR when there has been or there is a probability of a net loss , meaning more loss than gain overall.
What does an airline have to loose with a self sponsored integrated program, where the liability of all costs are granted to the trainee?
Airlines do not loose anything when flight schools one-sidedly associate with them, unless there is a dispute behind the scenes due to other reasons or airlines explicitly make one sided deals with certain flight school ie. CAE and EasyJet.
This is why many FTOs for example post pictures of their alumni flying for Ryanair on instagram with captions like "do you want to be a pilot like our student XXXX sign up for our course etc." and this might be very hard for a person who lacks a certain amount of cognitive capacity to understand ,but this is a type of dog whistling where an FTO is implying that they are somehow behind the fact that students are able to land a job with an airline X, even though there isn't an underlying connection between the FTO and the airline. And ofc no airline cares about this because it doesn't damage the airline in any way :) Therefore no legal action needed.

mindaugenius 8th May 2023 15:12


Originally Posted by Jokesonyou (Post 11426181)
I wonder, how the private affairs of a part-time employee can be reflected on the whole company? Your point makes absolutely no sense.. Instructor had a side hustle and got caught doing something questionable, that is on him. The only reason why BAA was mentioned in all of this is that he sometimes works for them as an instructor.. It is crazy how you can point a narrative just one way ;)

On the other note, it feels like this forum is full of unsuccessful wannabe pilots, who thought they are entitled to something.. Crying about issues that were relevant a couple years ago.. Time goes by and things improve. Sad experience of underachievers is relevant but it definitely does not paint a complete picture and definitely does not represent the current situation. Anyway, training business is highly regulated, which leaves small margins to maneuver. It is up to students, to grind and learn everything to the best of abilities

Issues with cadet programs? Sure, but how come the training company gets blamed for unfulfilled promises form airlines? BAA does not guarantee you job, airlines give you that commitment. It is all laid out in the engagement letters.
Fake cadet program? really? :D If it would be fake, don't you think that an airline would take legal action if that would be true?

The amount of gossip here is just on another level, especially from people who claimed that graduated recently. I wonder why they are not sharing the part where BAA proactively helps them book interviews with airlines :)

Sure, there are some minor issues, but nothing so dramatic that makes you say "reputation has been down to the ground" .

All in all, since it actually is a rumor network, I guess it is pretty obvious as to what type of people come here ;) Cheers, and happy pilot's day guys!

Brethren created an account...posted a whole bunch of nothing...left...and thinks he really did something :D

mindaugenius 8th May 2023 15:18


Originally Posted by Jokesonyou (Post 11426181)
BAA does not guarantee you job

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d0a90ef7c9.png


mindaugenius 8th May 2023 15:21


Originally Posted by Jokesonyou (Post 11426181)
airlines give you that commitment. It is all laid out in the engagement letters.

https://www.tiktok.com/@ftoanhiliato...45915201441050

mindaugenius 8th May 2023 16:06

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a9a2a31d0d.jpg
Lying on Instagram when both of their ME ac are broken AND on sale: https://www.planecheck.com/index.asp...id=55539&cor=y
https://www.planecheck.com/index.asp...id=55995&cor=y

More incompetent instructing and proof of damage on both MEP: https://www.mitma.gob.es/recursos_mf...nal_report.pdf
and even more https://www.mitma.gob.es/recursos_mf..._report_nm.pdf

As a recent graduate myself I call BS on the fact that BAA is proactively helping to book interviews with airlines, but even if assuming that is true, the airlines which BAA are associated with are pay to fly and also the worst employers in Europe. The likes of smartlynx, avion are ranked number 1 and 2 from the bottom respectively in terms of employee satisfaction according to European Cockpit Association . Even if what you say was true (it isnt) , it is like burning someone's mansion and then saying that oh look i'm am offering you a mudhut

mindaugenius 8th May 2023 22:57

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0747eb0d4c.jpg


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