You are thinking the right way! Go for it!

Sorry your acronyms confused me, CMEL, is that Commercial Multi Engine Licence?

To be a little thick if you have a single engine IR (presumably) That gets uprated to a multi engine IR? Secondly does an FAA CPL not present certain problems in the rest of the world, regardless of UK ATPL status? You would still need to convert to an EASA/ insertcountryhereCPL?


Ahhh there is a similar topic on another thread, possibly have a read here about your future route

http://www.pprune.org/professional-pilot-training-includes-ground-studies/581895-faa-commercial-pilot-licence-atpl-theory.html#post9447822

Correct.

Yeah on the Multi engine checkout If I cover the single-engine instrument approach along with normal maneuvers (also one with one engine). Then I'm ME-IR.

Not 'the rest of the world' but a few countries here and there not to mention Europe as a continent.

I wouldn't need to convert my licences to EASA? However in the future I may need to convert my CPL to what ever region I may be in and then sit the exams.

Flying Academy or Global Aviation S.A?
 

Hello!

I have been looking through the posts and I didn`t find any comparisons of schools. Maybe there is a reason for that.
But my question is which of these two schools is the best to get your training?
I know that I should just got into a plane and visit both of these schools and compare them by my self. And I`m going to do that. But anyway, I would appreciate your opinion that you could share about these schools in comparison.

I`m considering several programs:

Flying Academy:
0-ATPL
0-ATPL with US experience


Global Aviation S.A.
ATPL Integrated or
PPL + CPL Modular

1) I understand that it`s quite difficult to compare different programs in different schools. I have read some information about Flying academy on this forum and I didn`t find criminal issues. I mean, if there were problems, they were well dealt with, or there was always a reasonable explanation or even acceptance of claim from Flying academy side.

2) I also found out from this forum that Integrated courses are waste of money, but at Global Aviation S.A. it`s not so expensive as it is in CTC. For me is very important to save time and get really good skills (But I`m not saying that money are not important).

3) I was looking through Flying academy 0-ATPL with US experience and there is point that first flights will take place in US, that also frightens me a little bit. I have spoken to one pilot (he started his path in US) and he told me that European studying differs from US (I mean style and attitude). He explained me that in Europe everything seems more serious than in US. And here is the point, maybe it`s better to start with more struggles from the beginning to avoid adaptation to European style?!

4) And the last one thing. In general.. After finishing schools like Flying academy and Global Aviation S.A. will it be the same possibility to find a good job as after finishing CTC? I mean, is it very important which school you have finished or here is more important the skills you got after graduation?

Maybe I have missed some points that should be taken into account before making a decision. I will appreciate if You could add it by your-self.

ArchySmi, I am doing the 0-ATPL with US experience at Flying Academy. The very good part about it is that the US experience is great to have and you get to learn radio communication in English. Plus you get to fly from a large airport, in crowded airspace. Communication is different to Europe, but not that much different and I personally find it more complex. When researching for schools I found out that it is an advantage when looking for a job, and now I am happy that I chose this program. For me, the integrated program is not an option because I like the flexibility that the modular gives me. I can go as fast as I can and I don't have to wait for anyone and anything. In case you want more details, let me know. I hope that my experience helps you make the best decision.

ArchySmi

I am almost finish atpl intergrated in Global Aviation. Very nice place to do your training.

People there are both professional and friendly and the most important. Pay as you fly! Hour by hour. Pm me if you want for futher informations.

As for your last question i believe that the most important is the personal effort everyone made on his training. Even finished oxford or Global. When you will go to an airline assessment you will not have your school with you. Just you and your skills!

Thank you skyboy83 and IFly0toATPL for your replays.
I assume from above that both schools are worth to go and study. I think I should visit by myself to make the best choice.

Comparing training routes
 

I'll try to sum this up as best I can.

My mum is a teacher and has a student aged 17 who wants to be an airline pilot. As far as I am aware he has never done an actual flying lesson, but nonetheless he has decided he doesn't want to go to University and his parents are remortgaging their house to pay for him to go to a top-tier integrated flight school. My mum was curious about what I thought of this and how it compared to what I wanted to do and other methods of training.

I'm 15 and am (slowly) taking flying lessons at a small airfield in the hopes of getting my PPL at 17, as well as flying and gliding with Air Cadets, as I want to take a more modular route towards, eventually, my ATPL. I know for sure that I want to fly and I'm fairly sure I want to fly for an airline, but I'm remaining open towards fields like cargo flying and instructing. I am also set on going to University first. I personally feel as though I could gain more life experience and make better decisions if I complete my licenses modular-ly alongside things like cadets and education. I love flying but I'd like to build experience and qualifications rather than becoming a fully-fledged airline pilot as soon as I possibly can.

However, I'm really interested to know what the difference really is, as I'm still young and most of what I know comes from what I've read, people I've spoken to and the advice my flight instructor can give me. My understanding is that modular and integrated training produces the same standardised end result so it doesn't really matter, but are there advantages and disadvantages of each? Am I making the right choices here?:confused:

Difficult to offer advice as IMHO there is no right or wrong answer. You seem to have a great attitude and that is the most important thing. I'm sure you'll be successful whichever route you choose.

One thing to consider is whether to delay your PPL and keep flying gliders. You could then apply for one of the cadet schemes and with your obvious dedication to flying I think you would be at the front of the queue for these. You could then go modular if you didn't get on the Ezy/Virgin/whoever scheme.

I'm aware everyone has their own opinion on which training routes are better for whatever reason it may be. HOWEVER. I'm curious as to whether there has been any statistics produced to show;

A) Which training route is currently most popular.

B) What type of candidate the airlines prefer ( I'm aware some openly say they have no preference).

C) How its changing/changed over say the past 10 years.

There's such a contrast in opinion I genuinely think it would be interesting to see.

As a newbie trying to work out which would be the best option for me i'd like to hear some recent success stories of pilots who went down the modular route now flying with airlines?

Check out 'how I did it! How you can do it' thread. honestly so inspiring.

@maverick97 - I recently asked the same questions about employment statistics, while I was unable to find anything on modular employment rates (obviously a lot harder) I was encouraged by the fact that RTO's that offer intergrated programs are held to standards under the law in regard to misrepresentation. While I was not encouraged by their websites which offer little employment information I'm happy to say that upon attending many open days around Europe almost all the intergrated operators disclosed both their total intake numbers for the last 5 years along with their employment rates (including carriers). For the last two years it was very encouraging (obviously not before that!) but it was also accompanied by very honest warnings about waiting times and potential market shifts. I recently enrolled in one of the courses and I'm looking forward to it while at the same time remaining cautiously optimistic about the job prospects at the end!

P.s no one once used the words pilot shortage!

Go to open days, they are great

can you list the flying schools which you attended

Hey everyone,
Sorry if my question might sound a little absurd but I really do want to understand the Importance of when to do each and each Rating.

From Wandering through the Forum i have seen people that took their ATPL Ground schools first and only after finishing that moved on to PPL and vice versa.
Is there any logic or necessity of doing one before the other?

My other question is about doing CPL or IR first.
As I see things now, the best option for me will be the Modular form of training and I just want to understand the best, efficient way of doing it.

*I saw there are some Assesments tests going on when trying to get into colleges such as OAA and CTC. Does anyone who took them can tell a little about what are the subjects that being asked there? and maybe a good way to prepare for them?

Thanks alot.

Everybody has their own unique, individual situation, so what may the best option for one person, may be the worst option for another. I was advised quite early on by someone in the know, that integrated is the best way into the industry at the moment, but only if you can do it without the loan. My advice was also to steer clear of the loan, and if that wasn't a possibility, go modular.

In the integrated course that I'm on, seven of my self-sponsored colleagues all claim to not have taken the loan, so it's a bit of a myth that all CTC and CAE graduates are paying-back £1,300 per month back for a bank loan, I can assure you this isn't the case. Of course some will be, but I was advised well away from taking a massive bank loan against your house, just to go to a premium school.

I don't really know what the situation is with employment statistics at the moment, but the general consensus is that for self-sponsored graduates at CTC or Oxford, there tends to be around a six-month gap between graduating and starting a job. I interpret this to be six-months of applications, interviews, assessments, etc, but what exactly goes on, I'm not too sure. Of course the low-cost carriers are big players, but there seem to be lots of other "placement statistics" kicking around, right from graduates getting placements with the prestigious flag carriers, to the regional airlines.

Naturally, you'd have to be foolish to believe that the likes of CTC and Oxford will just "throw" jobs at you, but no doubt there are doors opened to you that would otherwise not be. You still have to stand-out in interviews and assessments, and be what the airline wants, which the majority of the people I train with completely understand. You do what's best for you, to your means, nobody else's.

I agree with Rottweiler22 on what he said. I saved up and am starting very soon and dont have to take the loan. Everyone including the schools told me to budget for 2 years and also if possible to have money for a type rating or a way of getting it. I went a bit further and budgeted for 30 months ;)

In terms of employment statistics I have yet to have a school that haven't provided them to me when asked. CTC's are on the internet last time I checked. I won't post them because its not my place but just give them a ring, its very positive.

0 to Atpl
 

Sorry guys, but I might need some advise. I finished my PPL (in the Philippines) last year and plan on doing the fast track course with Aeros in Cardiff(U.K.). It works out to about £60,000. 0 to a frozen ATPL.

Do you reckon it would be cheaper in the US? or doing it in the U.K. is the best bet?

I am currently studying Aircraft Engineering as well. So i thought i could get my Frozen ATPL as soon as i graduate, instead of taking a gap year from uni and then coming back.

let me know your thoughts!

Cheers!

Im no expert but that seems expensive if you already have a PPL?

also yeah finish your degree dude, then you are an engineer if everything goes AOT.

TR
 

The current mood is toward integrated although CTC will gladly accept you as a modular student then and take your money with little or no real chance of an airline job at the end.
I wouldn't advise an independent TR either, they can cost anything from 14k to 20K and again no guarantees of airline employment. In any case, I think an airline would make you go through their own airline specific TR again within their own TR/Base Training/Line Training program. Of course, that is if you are fortunate enough to get into one of the airlines in the first place. External TR's are non-airline specific even though it may be on a A320/737.