:D;)

Oh I think Adam Ledger is on a steep learning curve. Quite surprising for someone who has an ATPL at 21.

Tiger and Flyvirgin, you are both total fools unto yourselves! Tiger training? WTF are you on about now? Are you 6yrs old? :ugh:

FlyVirgin? The name suits, as you probably haven't flown yet.:E Competition for me? I doubt it, unless he has the correct licences and wants to fly helicopters instead of planes. Oh, and if he wants my job, you're more than welcome to it. Why? Because the grass isn't always greener.

Be careful what you wish for! It's a big bad world out here once you leave your mummys and daddys home!:ok:

I always find it refreshing when WWW says it like it is, the wannabes totally disagree, then lo and behold, they go off and rarely, if ever, come back and say 'I proved you wrong. I got that right hand seat straight after training. I paid my £70k+ and was offered a job straight away'


If those sort of people came on here, and proved us all wrong, then we would all sit back and say, look, we're wrong. We got it so wrong about the recession, the lack of jobs etc. We must have been out of our minds to put people off.
Take a look at the industry. Even an FI is struggling to get work nowadays. Why? because the easy finance routes have gone. No-one has the equity to spend in their houses anymore. The banks aren't just handing out training loans anymore.
Unfortunately, there aren't too many who return to these forums with great news. I wish there was. :sad:

Heli - I think most people understand here that jobs will not be waiting when finsihed training.
But if the time schedule is 3 - 5 years, then this is the time to start training, so at least by the time there are jobs, you will have experience and had time to enjoy flying.

And I am not 6! :mad:

Nice Youtube video by the way John. Surprising how you turned that woman into a tiger. Looked like all smoke, mirrors and sleight of hand to me:D

Anyway, we are only here stating we we personally think. Everyone is quite wlecome to go and spend £00000's of pounds on training. It doesnt matter if it's integrated or modular. I wish people would get off their high horses about the whole thing. Train if you want. Get an FI rating if you want. Pay for that type rating and sit on a jet as FO whilst doing it. Great. But don't then turn around in a few years and think, hey I should be getting paid more than I am, because the guys following you up that ladder will be doing the same and the companies will pay less and less, and the pensions schemes are long gone.
It's not for some people, me included.
All that's being said by the present doomsayers, is that things don't look rosy, and with £70k, you could do so much more!

I personally would not want to spend 000000000 to get where I want, and I agree those who is making an own goal.
All I said, was that looking at the figures, it is understandable that some people with more money then sense, might be tempted.

Most people I have met recently, believe modular is the way to go, still there will always be the brain dead who thinks Oxford is the best way, and dont mind loosing £70.000 of daddies money. That is just fortunate, because with that kind of own goal, they will not be around in 3 - 5 years, when maybe things starts to move.

Regarding the value of the pound, what the analysts do not take into account is that since the decimation of the UK's manufacturing industry, most of the sub parts required to assemble what is left to export are sourced from abroad.

End result, the product is actually more expensive to produce, so any advantage is eroded away.

A weak pound should really help all those Brits looking to go on holiday overseas.... great news for the British aviation industry :ugh::rolleyes::oh:

IATA Airline Industry Recovering - but slowly...
 

Good news on the horizon. :ok:

BBC News - Airline industry recovering, says Iata trade body

Air Partner Private Jets (ex Gold Air) went into administration this morning. Good luck to all at Biggin Hill, some great people up there.

Hadn't heard that. Thought they were doing OK.

WWW

The group was ok, it was the private jet operation (What used to be Gold Air) that has met it's maker. Some good girls in the office up there, Good Luck...

*bugger, means i'll have to find somewhere else to watch the airshow from this year*:E

WWW

Where are you when we need you......

Be very interested in your latest appraisal of the current economic situation and outlook.

From where I sit the future seems to look remarkably grim.

WWW
 

I miss his insight too but have you seen the stats in Flight Training News or heard that BA have only lost £531 million last year not counting the volcanic fiasco or the strikes, that Avgas is over £7 per gallon here at Cranfield and that the previous government stuffed everyone in just about every sector by overspending, targeting the non-productive types with handouts and generally stuffing things up?

But other than that, everything's great I just won a new 2 yr contract and might be able to light the BBQ around September if I ration the gas in this cylinder!!!! but it will be a bring your own meat type party.....

It's not just the fuel that's expensive at Cranfield, on a recent pleasure sortie a friend and I were charged over £50 for a single engine landing fee - if there's ever to be a definite upturn for the poor guys (and girls) trying to scrape together enough cash to train, blatant money making institutions like this will not be involved in instigating it!