I took off on my multi-IR test with an incorrect frequency selected which couldn't be idented on the ground.

So if you can afford to retake your IR test, don't bother with learning morse. On the other hand you could not bother and be lazy.
Just hope your life doesn't depend on it.
Its part of the slow decay in standards.

I've just been playing with the tutorial program on this website:

http://www.c2.com/~ward/morse/morse.html

If that doesn't work for you then you must be as - ..-. .. -.-. -.- as .--. .. --. ... .... .. - ;)

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"Must be able to identify Morse Code"

I can identify morse upon first hearing - all those dit-dit-dit's and dah-dah-dah's are a dead giveaway...

Consider what needs to be learnt - is it really that difficult to learn?

Compared to all the other useless tripe you have to cram its very useful. You'll find you use Morse every IR flight you do (until VORs and NDBs are replaced with GPS)!

When you're going for your IR, it's best to have this one firmly learn before hand. It'll save you tying up brain cells trying to decode an IDent when they would be better used watching the AI.

Most IR pilots learn SELECT-IDENT-DISPLAY. The IDENT action checks you've got the right aid tuned and is vital if you're going to trust your life to the nav aids. Its too easy to select the wrong frequency, and you need to confirm its broadcasting.

Do you need to learn Morse code for ATPL
 

Do you need to learn Morse code for ATPL. If so, what is the best way to learn it.

Been a few threads on morse code recently. Go to seach and type in "morse code".

Don

Morse is not examined in the JAA ATPL but it has to be taught as part of the course. You will be expected to ident beacons in your flight tests.

Morse code for ATPL's?
 

I assume I'll have to learn Morse code for my ATPL's so I was going to learn it now before my course starts.

I was wondering, to what degree do I need to learn it? Is it simply a matter of learning the alphabet and 0-9? or do we get tested at certain speeds too?

Hi There

You do not need to be tested on the morse code for the JAR FCL ATPL exams but you are expected to know it and it is part of the training syllabus of the VFR/IR comms module. Your training provider should just be happy with your knowledge, however you will need to ident various beacons on your CPL/IR tests by the letters not the dots and dashes.

And when is "Fetch a Fireman" ever more appropriate than now - hehe.

Such a shame they got rid of it. It was such an exiting exam and probably had more applicability than most of the questions they ask.

Do they still go on about schuler tuning? What did that ever mean and how would it help a pilot in the air?

Schuler tuning... oh yes they do still ask.

From my last mock we might describe it as a 'weak area'. I can't see any reason to even know of its existence - but I am trying hard to develop the 'required attitude' in which I am both permanently inquisitive and yet must not ask 'why?' too much.

On Morse.. I was shown a method to learn the letters in under 2 hours. Didn't think it was possible but had it pretty much off pat in 84 mins!

Loop - cool! Where can we all get a copy of this method?

Spitfire, are you really expected to know morse? I didn't think there was any requirement to know it at all?

Seems logical that you should know it, of course. As a lowly VFR-only PPL, on the rare occassions I'm planning on using a nav-aid I write down the morse ident on my knee-board during flight planning. But I can imagine it would be pretty useful to know morse when diverting under IFR, for example. But then we don't really expect to be examined on useful stuff, do we??? :D

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Show us the method!
I could do with a boost like that!

Not an 'off the shelf' method I'm afraid, but between revising I'll try to get the method down on paper (shouldn't take more than 84 mins, right?). I'll post back when I've got it.

for anyone wanting to spend some money i found this:

http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUC...rse/index.html

Though i only tried the demo, and in the 10 min i used it i learned 7 letters :)

pretty nice tool.

But i sure would like to know how its done the cheap way, please :)

If you don't want to spend money (I wouldn't on a program that just beeps!), I found a useful tool that does the job, has some good features, e.g. lessons, tests, and is freeware. It's about 100k zipped up, email me if you want a copy.

Do a search on the internet there is freeware software out there to teach morse in three letter groups at 6 wpm - exactly what you need for identing beacons.