ATPL or CPL?
What is the difference between these? Do you need both before you can fly for an airline?
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CPL is the license you get from basic aviation training. Entitles you to fly in light commercial aviation as commander on aircraft not certified for multicrew operation or as co-pilot in a multicrew environment.
ATPL entitles you to act as commander in a multicrew environment and requires that you have at least 1500 total flight time (along with some other hour requirements). The normal thing as that you get your CPL together with the ATPL theory and thus get a "frozen ATPL" . Once you are eligble for the ATPL it will become "unfrozen". Cheers, Olof |
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So it become unfrozen once you have completed the hours?
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not automatically...it usually happens together with an OPC. At this stage you're already an employed airline pilot...
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So it become unfrozen once you have completed the hours? |
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So you technically could be rejected for an ATPL??
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So then, here's a question...once you've got 1,500 hours can you just apply for you ATPL provided you have a VALID LPC/OPC or do you have to wait until you sit an LPC after you have the hours????:eek:
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You have to meet all of the requirements listed in JAR-FCL 1.280
JAR–FCL 1.280 Experience and crediting (See JAR–FCL 1.050(a)(3)) (a) An applicant for an ATPL(A) shall have completed as a pilot of aeroplanes at least 1500 hours of flight time (see also JAR-FCL 1.050(a)(3)). [Of the 1 500 hours flight time, up to 100 hours of flight time may have been completed in FS and FNPT of which a maximum of 25 hours may have been completed in FNPT,] including at least: (1) 500 hours in multi-pilot operations on aeroplanes type certificated in accordance with the JAR/FAR–25 Transport category or the JAR/FAR–23 Commuter category, or BCAR or AIR 2051; (2) 250 hours either as pilot-incommand or at least 100 hours as pilot-incommand and 150 hours as co-pilot performing, under the supervision of the pilotin- command the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command provided that the method of supervision is acceptable to the Authority; (3) 200 hours of cross-country flight time of which at least 100 hours shall be as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot performing under the supervision of the pilot-in-command the duties and functions of a pilot-incommand, provided that the method of supervision is acceptable to the Authority; (4) 75 hours of instrument time of which not more than 30 hours may be instrument ground time; and (5) 100 hours of night flight as pilot-incommand or as co-pilot. (b) (1) Holders of a pilot licence or equivalent document for other categories of aircraft will be credited with flight time in such other categories of aircraft as set out in JAR– FCL 1.155 except flight time in helicopters which will be credited up to 50% of all the flight time requirements of sub-paragraph (a). (2) Holders of a flight engineer licence will be credited with 50% of the flight engineer time up to a maximum credit of 250 hours. This 250 hours may be credited against the 1 500 hours requirement of sub-paragraph (a), and the 500 hours requirement of subparagraph (a)(1), provided that the total credit given against any of these sub-paragraphs does not exceed 250 hours. (c) The experience required shall be completed before the skill test given in JAR–FCL 1.295 is taken. [Amdt. 1, 01.06.00; Amdt. 3, 01.07.03] |
ALTP Frozen
I am holding FAA CPL from Texas, now I am based in the UK. What should I do to become eligible to fly in this country as well I need to do ALTP Frozen, for future. Can anyone advice me where should I do it? And cheaper please.
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Originally Posted by Whopity
The "frozen" ATPL is a myth!
It seems that it is the credits for passing the ATPL examinations that are "frozen"... |
so this might be *slightly* OT.... but,
exactly to what extent would it be career limiting to only to ME CPL/IR , ie not the ATPL exams? Someone mentioned 'light commercial aviation', and that without the ATPL you could only ever be PIC for single crew aircraft, and F/O for multi-crew. but if one had absolutely no intention of ever working for a commercial airline, which non-airline prospects would be on the other side of a burnt bridge if one only did the CPL exams? Thanks sf78 |
Entitles you to fly in light commercial aviation as commander on aircraft not certified for multicrew operation or as co-pilot in a multicrew environment. |
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