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Nice one mate 
I'm not a cry baby or indeed having a winge about anything.
Read my post again ... I liked Stapleford and I thought the instructors were very competent. And I'm afraid that the fact you reckon you're flying a jet now don't mean jack diddly I'm afraid. For every lucky student out of every flying club type environment, there are always 10 others who have to eat sh!t and instruct or hang around for a year or two to get their break.
I would say STL has a strike rate of graduates walking into jobs that is no better or no worse than any other large 'flying club' type environment. In other words my son it's still nowhere near what the big integrated schools can achieve, so lets not get too puffed up and full of ourselves here.
I stand by my statement that if I could do it all again, I wouldn't do an IR at Stapleford, Cabair or any other flight training organisation that is based in that general area. I was merely making an observation about the relative difficulty of conducting IR training in and around the London TMA, compared to some of the less congested airspace elsewhere in the country. I feel entitled to do that, having done a fair bit of IR and multi engine instructing myself, and having spent most of the last decade instructing in some form or another, both in the north and south of the UK and abroad.
I'm not a cry baby or indeed having a winge about anything.
Read my post again ... I liked Stapleford and I thought the instructors were very competent. And I'm afraid that the fact you reckon you're flying a jet now don't mean jack diddly I'm afraid. For every lucky student out of every flying club type environment, there are always 10 others who have to eat sh!t and instruct or hang around for a year or two to get their break.
I would say STL has a strike rate of graduates walking into jobs that is no better or no worse than any other large 'flying club' type environment. In other words my son it's still nowhere near what the big integrated schools can achieve, so lets not get too puffed up and full of ourselves here.
I stand by my statement that if I could do it all again, I wouldn't do an IR at Stapleford, Cabair or any other flight training organisation that is based in that general area. I was merely making an observation about the relative difficulty of conducting IR training in and around the London TMA, compared to some of the less congested airspace elsewhere in the country. I feel entitled to do that, having done a fair bit of IR and multi engine instructing myself, and having spent most of the last decade instructing in some form or another, both in the north and south of the UK and abroad.
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First of all I'm not going to get into a row about this. But what I will say is this; If I offended you then I apologise.
I dont reckon, I AM about to sit in the RHS of a jet, and I dont see many other schools with students doing that right after training at the moment. However I realise that I am one of the lucky ones.
I do however stand by what I said, which was that I have no doubt that my success in my training and subsequent success in getting the RHS is attributable to the people at Stapleford.
I am by no means suggesting that others schools are not as good, simply that my track record there has PROVED that they ARE a great school, regardless of the busy London airspace; and I also understand that IR training elsewhere may have less congested airspace, but I or the guys I did my IR with never had a single problem with it, so I dont see why anyone else would!
I dont reckon, I AM about to sit in the RHS of a jet, and I dont see many other schools with students doing that right after training at the moment. However I realise that I am one of the lucky ones.
I do however stand by what I said, which was that I have no doubt that my success in my training and subsequent success in getting the RHS is attributable to the people at Stapleford.
I am by no means suggesting that others schools are not as good, simply that my track record there has PROVED that they ARE a great school, regardless of the busy London airspace; and I also understand that IR training elsewhere may have less congested airspace, but I or the guys I did my IR with never had a single problem with it, so I dont see why anyone else would!
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hmmm !
Surely once you get a job you may have to fly in or near a congested area of controlled airspace ... ?
I have recently finished the CPL/IR at Stapleford, managed to get first time passes in both and would certainly recommend them to anyone !
I know one student that went to Bristol for the IR. Then completed the test at Bristol and passed ... got a job on a corporate jet at Stansted and has just lost it because he can only do approaches at Bristol and the military airports around that area ... appparantly very good at doing approaches etc at Bristol but no where else !!!
I do feel sorry for the guy. But the point im making is that you should be able to fly in any airspace / and do any approach !
I think Stapleford prepared me well for this and it did prove to help once finishing the MCC course ...
Hope to follow in MG's shoes ... good luck all !!!
PS. Apache ... They do have FNPT2 - available for IRR
I have recently finished the CPL/IR at Stapleford, managed to get first time passes in both and would certainly recommend them to anyone !
I know one student that went to Bristol for the IR. Then completed the test at Bristol and passed ... got a job on a corporate jet at Stansted and has just lost it because he can only do approaches at Bristol and the military airports around that area ... appparantly very good at doing approaches etc at Bristol but no where else !!!
I do feel sorry for the guy. But the point im making is that you should be able to fly in any airspace / and do any approach !
I think Stapleford prepared me well for this and it did prove to help once finishing the MCC course ...
Hope to follow in MG's shoes ... good luck all !!!
PS. Apache ... They do have FNPT2 - available for IRR
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With regard to the above debate - surely it is down to who you are, what you have done and whether you are in teh right place at the right time as to whether you manage to land a job or not. I am sorry but whilst I am sure that flight schools are responsible for making sure you have the training etc and making you ready - ultimately it is you and not the flight school who will be sitting in the interview seat answering questions about why you would make a good pilot.
Oh and I thought stapleford did not have any twins down there?
Any twin trainers down at southend with IR renewal capabilities?
Oh and I thought stapleford did not have any twins down there?
Any twin trainers down at southend with IR renewal capabilities?
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Of course they have twins.. how else would you do a multi IR. You could renew your IR in the sim there and do your multi renewal on the a/craft.
Good luck wherever you go mon ami..
Good luck wherever you go mon ami..
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"I know one student that went to Bristol for the IR. Then completed the test at Bristol and passed ... got a job on a corporate jet at Stansted and has just lost it because he can only do approaches at Bristol and the military airports around that area ... appparantly very good at doing approaches etc at Bristol but no where else !!!"
Really! And which military airports would those be then?
Nasib
"I know one student that went to Bristol for the IR. Then completed the test at Bristol and passed ... got a job on a corporate jet at Stansted and has just lost it because he can only do approaches at Bristol and the military airports around that area ... appparantly very good at doing approaches etc at Bristol but no where else !!!"
Really! And which military airports would those be then?
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Really! And which military airports would those be then?
YES ... Really (military and civilian airports in that area (Yeovilton/Lyneham))
Im not sure of the exact routes from Bristol, but surely you do have do an approach at another airport ??? But thats not my point !
The guy had fairly low hours and paid for his own type rating, it may have just been the individual, but according to the cheif pilot he was very good at Bristol.
The point was at some time in a commercial career you will have to operate in busy/ier airspace ... and it was an example of doing the IR in less 'Congested Airspace' as previously mentioned.
Surely after commencing approaches at Birmingham, Coventry, East Midlands, Cambridge, Southend, Manston, Wattisham and others you are going to be more prepared/competent ?
I maybe wrong, i only done the IR at 1 school (Stapleford) and can only comment on the first hand experience i had of a very good school in and around 'The Stansted area'
At the end of the day you end up with a Frozen ATPL where ever you go .. surely the main points are the quality of the training and the price ?
Good luck all !
Im not sure of the exact routes from Bristol, but surely you do have do an approach at another airport ??? But thats not my point !
The guy had fairly low hours and paid for his own type rating, it may have just been the individual, but according to the cheif pilot he was very good at Bristol.
The point was at some time in a commercial career you will have to operate in busy/ier airspace ... and it was an example of doing the IR in less 'Congested Airspace' as previously mentioned.
Surely after commencing approaches at Birmingham, Coventry, East Midlands, Cambridge, Southend, Manston, Wattisham and others you are going to be more prepared/competent ?
I maybe wrong, i only done the IR at 1 school (Stapleford) and can only comment on the first hand experience i had of a very good school in and around 'The Stansted area'
At the end of the day you end up with a Frozen ATPL where ever you go .. surely the main points are the quality of the training and the price ?
Good luck all !
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Since I work for Bristol Flying Centre as an IR instructor, I have no intention of entering this debate regarding the benefit of one school over another or one type of airspace over another. People will make up their own minds on this.
I simply expressed surprise about the comment that someone who did his IR at Bristol can only make approaches at military airfields. For your information Yeovilton does not have any instrument approaches that can be used by civilian aircraft except PAR’s which are not used for the IR test, therefore Yeovilton is never used. Lynham has only been used as part of an IR test once in the last three years.
Airfields used out of Bristol include Cardiff, Exeter, Gloucester, Filton Bournemouth, Yeovil Judwin etc. These are quite diverse airfields in and out of Controlled Airspace handling all types of aircraft up to Boeing 777’s.
Nasib
I simply expressed surprise about the comment that someone who did his IR at Bristol can only make approaches at military airfields. For your information Yeovilton does not have any instrument approaches that can be used by civilian aircraft except PAR’s which are not used for the IR test, therefore Yeovilton is never used. Lynham has only been used as part of an IR test once in the last three years.
Airfields used out of Bristol include Cardiff, Exeter, Gloucester, Filton Bournemouth, Yeovil Judwin etc. These are quite diverse airfields in and out of Controlled Airspace handling all types of aircraft up to Boeing 777’s.
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Thought i may have touched a nerve with a Bristol instructor. Perhaps i should have worded it better ... 'airports around their' rather than military !
I had no intention of a debate, as i have said it was an Example !
and only a reply to the suggestion of staying away from the busier controlled airspace by going to the 'West country' or 'Scotland' ...
as you said people will make up there own minds !!!
no offence meant !!!
I had no intention of a debate, as i have said it was an Example !
and only a reply to the suggestion of staying away from the busier controlled airspace by going to the 'West country' or 'Scotland' ...
as you said people will make up there own minds !!!
no offence meant !!!
