Modular trained Pilots.....are they getting FO positions???
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Modular trained Pilots.....are they getting FO positions???
Hello everyone,
Firstly, I would like to ask, are guys who have been on the modular route securing first officer positions or is it generally the Integrated chaps that attain these positions?
Are you or do you know of anyone who trained via the modular route who is now flying for an airline and attained the job in a reasonable time scale after training?
Are there any airlines that strictly DO NOT employ modular trained Pilots?
Finally, when an airline is recruiting and they receive X amount of CV 's, well how do they know which guys trained on which course?....For example, if you do not mention that you did an Integrated course on your CV, well do they assume that you trained through the modular?
I would be grateful if anyone could answer these questions or add any thoughts they have to it as I can not decide upon which course to take.
Thank you.
Firstly, I would like to ask, are guys who have been on the modular route securing first officer positions or is it generally the Integrated chaps that attain these positions?
Are you or do you know of anyone who trained via the modular route who is now flying for an airline and attained the job in a reasonable time scale after training?
Are there any airlines that strictly DO NOT employ modular trained Pilots?
Finally, when an airline is recruiting and they receive X amount of CV 's, well how do they know which guys trained on which course?....For example, if you do not mention that you did an Integrated course on your CV, well do they assume that you trained through the modular?
I would be grateful if anyone could answer these questions or add any thoughts they have to it as I can not decide upon which course to take.
Thank you.
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As i understand as long as you've got what they are looking for they will give you the job, i wouldn't have thought they would care to much about if you did a modular and integrated course.
But hopefully someone with more knowledge could answer in more detail because i am interested in this question too.
But hopefully someone with more knowledge could answer in more detail because i am interested in this question too.
I know a couple of Modular guys who have got work recently.
It really makes very very little difference these days. A while back BACX asked for Integrated only applicants and everybody scratched their heads at this. In the end they accepted some interviewees you trained under the modular route. Indeed some who had trained under the auspices of the BCPL and self improver route pre-JAA.
Agonisingly slowly the airlines are realising that the old distinction of CAP509/Self Improver no longer applies to JAA training.
Which is only correct as the hours, syllabus and standards are now harmonised.
WWW
It really makes very very little difference these days. A while back BACX asked for Integrated only applicants and everybody scratched their heads at this. In the end they accepted some interviewees you trained under the modular route. Indeed some who had trained under the auspices of the BCPL and self improver route pre-JAA.
Agonisingly slowly the airlines are realising that the old distinction of CAP509/Self Improver no longer applies to JAA training.
Which is only correct as the hours, syllabus and standards are now harmonised.
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I'm not sure that any low-hours pilots are getting FO jobs, whatever route they've chosen to train. Ok, so maybe there are jobs for a lucky few, but I doubt that modular/integrated makes much difference.
I get the impression from your post that your heart is set on an integrated course, and you're looking for us to back up your decision. There are lots of reasons why someone should choose one course or another, but ultimately you have to choose what you'd be happiest with. If you want to do an integrated course, then go for it - but the message is don't expect any preferential treatment from the airlines because of it.
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I get the impression from your post that your heart is set on an integrated course, and you're looking for us to back up your decision. There are lots of reasons why someone should choose one course or another, but ultimately you have to choose what you'd be happiest with. If you want to do an integrated course, then go for it - but the message is don't expect any preferential treatment from the airlines because of it.
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Simply considering Integrated vs. Modular is not sufficient, you need a wider understanding of the issues.
GAPAN and EPST conducted a survey of 7 major Airlines asking them to rank 10 important qualities / aptitudes in order of importance when considering new recruits.
Ranking Aptitude Score
1 Team working skills 14
2 A/C handling 17
3 Leadership 22
4 Personality 25
5 Customer awareness 36
6 Technical knowledge 41
7 Education 48
8 Presentation and appearance 49
9 Previous employment 64
10 Family background 69
From the above, it is clear that there is no direct correlation between the results and either Integrated or Modular training.
However, it can be conjectured that whilst the Integrated student might be a better team player, the Modular student might have greater leadership ability.
Whilst the Integrated student often comes from a more affluent background, and maybe has a higher academic level, the Modular student has a more rounded personality, and greater commercial and customer awareness.
Additionally, the Modular student frequently has more actual flight hours, over a wider range of aircraft, and therefore has better hands-on skills (especially on the sim check ride) than the Integrated.
The current approach of the main Integrated training providers is a little more subtle. By accepting only candidates who have passed a rigorous aptitude assessment, they are guaranteeing that their output is already to a high standard, and very acceptable to the Airlines. On the general assumption that perhaps only the top 10 - 15% of potential trainees are “creamed off” in this way, the remaining 85 - 90% will need to find their training elsewhere. Here the message from the survey is simple. Get the highest quality training, with the most number of flight hours that you can.
Unfortunately for some, this conflicts with the notion that just getting the stamp in your licence, and at the lowest cost is an appropriate way forward - it isn’t.
With acknowledgments to GAPAN and EPST, the full results of the survey, plus some very useful additional information can be found on www.gapan.org
GAPAN and EPST conducted a survey of 7 major Airlines asking them to rank 10 important qualities / aptitudes in order of importance when considering new recruits.
Ranking Aptitude Score
1 Team working skills 14
2 A/C handling 17
3 Leadership 22
4 Personality 25
5 Customer awareness 36
6 Technical knowledge 41
7 Education 48
8 Presentation and appearance 49
9 Previous employment 64
10 Family background 69
From the above, it is clear that there is no direct correlation between the results and either Integrated or Modular training.
However, it can be conjectured that whilst the Integrated student might be a better team player, the Modular student might have greater leadership ability.
Whilst the Integrated student often comes from a more affluent background, and maybe has a higher academic level, the Modular student has a more rounded personality, and greater commercial and customer awareness.
Additionally, the Modular student frequently has more actual flight hours, over a wider range of aircraft, and therefore has better hands-on skills (especially on the sim check ride) than the Integrated.
The current approach of the main Integrated training providers is a little more subtle. By accepting only candidates who have passed a rigorous aptitude assessment, they are guaranteeing that their output is already to a high standard, and very acceptable to the Airlines. On the general assumption that perhaps only the top 10 - 15% of potential trainees are “creamed off” in this way, the remaining 85 - 90% will need to find their training elsewhere. Here the message from the survey is simple. Get the highest quality training, with the most number of flight hours that you can.
Unfortunately for some, this conflicts with the notion that just getting the stamp in your licence, and at the lowest cost is an appropriate way forward - it isn’t.
With acknowledgments to GAPAN and EPST, the full results of the survey, plus some very useful additional information can be found on www.gapan.org
Well - I don't agree with any of the conjecture as to the differences between Integrated and Modular students.
Team skills (whatever they are) commercial awareness and handling aptitudes have got not a jot to do whether you trained on a PA28 at Kiddlington or a PA28 at Staverton.
Just why people with higher academics should be found on the Integrated course defies logic. If you need to be nursemaided through every lesson of the ATPL studies then go Integrated. If you can manage your own self study and just need an exam brush up go Modular and save thousands!
And frankly this is just risible:
have passed a rigorous aptitude assessment, they are guaranteeing that their output is already to a high standard, and very acceptable to the Airlines.
Those rigorous tests ain't no rocket science - they just about manage to exclude people who are total clutzes. Even then quite a few get through.
Further - any hint of a belief on the part of the OATS type graduate that they are in some way the better pilot because a) they had to pass a test to get in and b) they trained under the oh-so-swish Integrated structure is very very likely to get himself labelled a prat.
You can just as easily say the Integrated student didn't have the organisational ability or confidence to arrange his own training programme so he paid a premium for someone else to do it. He then benefitted from ideal training continuity and the benefits of training throughout with a set of classmates. Therefore his achievement of a first time pass and good exam grades is actually less meritous than the first time pass and good exam grades achieved by his Modular cousin.
There are great students and great pillocks in both training regimes - I know I've taught in both and seen it with my own eyes.
Theorising which is 'best' is a pointless exercise - it is the man, not the school, that will determine the quality of the graduate.
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Team skills (whatever they are) commercial awareness and handling aptitudes have got not a jot to do whether you trained on a PA28 at Kiddlington or a PA28 at Staverton.
Just why people with higher academics should be found on the Integrated course defies logic. If you need to be nursemaided through every lesson of the ATPL studies then go Integrated. If you can manage your own self study and just need an exam brush up go Modular and save thousands!
And frankly this is just risible:
have passed a rigorous aptitude assessment, they are guaranteeing that their output is already to a high standard, and very acceptable to the Airlines.
Those rigorous tests ain't no rocket science - they just about manage to exclude people who are total clutzes. Even then quite a few get through.
Further - any hint of a belief on the part of the OATS type graduate that they are in some way the better pilot because a) they had to pass a test to get in and b) they trained under the oh-so-swish Integrated structure is very very likely to get himself labelled a prat.
You can just as easily say the Integrated student didn't have the organisational ability or confidence to arrange his own training programme so he paid a premium for someone else to do it. He then benefitted from ideal training continuity and the benefits of training throughout with a set of classmates. Therefore his achievement of a first time pass and good exam grades is actually less meritous than the first time pass and good exam grades achieved by his Modular cousin.
There are great students and great pillocks in both training regimes - I know I've taught in both and seen it with my own eyes.
Theorising which is 'best' is a pointless exercise - it is the man, not the school, that will determine the quality of the graduate.
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1 Team working skills 14........FMS is your best friend
2 A/C handling 17...................FMS does the job
3 Leadership 22.....................FMS lead the ship
4 Personality 25.....................0 or 1 personality!!!
5 Customer awareness 36 ....Ding!No smoking ,
6 Technical knowledge 41..... know how to reset!
7 Education 48.......................0 x 1=0, 1x1=1
8 Presentation and appearance 49.......stay in the cockpit
9 Previous employment 64.....................huh! I am a cadet
10 Family background 69........................How much they pay.
2 A/C handling 17...................FMS does the job
3 Leadership 22.....................FMS lead the ship
4 Personality 25.....................0 or 1 personality!!!
5 Customer awareness 36 ....Ding!No smoking ,
6 Technical knowledge 41..... know how to reset!
7 Education 48.......................0 x 1=0, 1x1=1
8 Presentation and appearance 49.......stay in the cockpit
9 Previous employment 64.....................huh! I am a cadet
10 Family background 69........................How much they pay.
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Hello,
thank you all for your input in helping me decide upon which course to take.
I am still undecided, I feel I would be more suited to the Modular, however this Integrated keeps nagging in my mind.
At the end of the day, when I have achieved CPL/IR fATPL, I don't want to be hanging around for maybe 1,2,3 or 4 years waiting on an airline job or for the industry to pick up. Also, the ratio between modular/integrated trained pilots.....well there must be by far more modular pilots out there....wouldn't you agree?
I just feel that doing the Integrated would get me that job quicker.
Cheers....
thank you all for your input in helping me decide upon which course to take.
I am still undecided, I feel I would be more suited to the Modular, however this Integrated keeps nagging in my mind.
At the end of the day, when I have achieved CPL/IR fATPL, I don't want to be hanging around for maybe 1,2,3 or 4 years waiting on an airline job or for the industry to pick up. Also, the ratio between modular/integrated trained pilots.....well there must be by far more modular pilots out there....wouldn't you agree?
I just feel that doing the Integrated would get me that job quicker.
Cheers....
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So, you ask a question and ignore the replies.
Regardless of how you train you could still end up waiting 2,3,4,5 even 6,7,8..... years for an airline job. Read the papers, watch the news, read the 1,000's of comments on PPRUNE(!!!). The industry is having a real bad time at the moment and whether you go integrated or modular is hardly going to make or break your future aviation career!
Ps get the airline thing out of your head until you have the licence, the hours, the skills, the contacts, the recommendations as Jeez does it appear to be a challenge getting in there.
Expect the unexpected i guess will sum up your next few years whatever route you take.
Regardless of how you train you could still end up waiting 2,3,4,5 even 6,7,8..... years for an airline job. Read the papers, watch the news, read the 1,000's of comments on PPRUNE(!!!). The industry is having a real bad time at the moment and whether you go integrated or modular is hardly going to make or break your future aviation career!
Ps get the airline thing out of your head until you have the licence, the hours, the skills, the contacts, the recommendations as Jeez does it appear to be a challenge getting in there.
Expect the unexpected i guess will sum up your next few years whatever route you take.
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Oh dear WWW, you do seem to have missed the point I tried (unsuccessfully ?) to make.
Its a buyers market at the moment, therefore it would seem to be rather a good idea to try and understand what it is that the employers want - even if you have to try and understand what Team Working Skills are, and how they are applied to a multi-crew airliner.
In case it was not apparent, I'm a staunch supporter of high quality modular training, although my research tries to present a balanced view for the benefit of our readers.
Finally, I am afraid that no matter how much "natural" ability a student pilot has, if he/she receives really poor and inadequate modular or integrated training their chances of getting an interview, let alone a position are likely to be considerably reduced. The quality of the training is therefore vital to any pilots progress.
Its a buyers market at the moment, therefore it would seem to be rather a good idea to try and understand what it is that the employers want - even if you have to try and understand what Team Working Skills are, and how they are applied to a multi-crew airliner.
In case it was not apparent, I'm a staunch supporter of high quality modular training, although my research tries to present a balanced view for the benefit of our readers.
Finally, I am afraid that no matter how much "natural" ability a student pilot has, if he/she receives really poor and inadequate modular or integrated training their chances of getting an interview, let alone a position are likely to be considerably reduced. The quality of the training is therefore vital to any pilots progress.
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The quality of training is only a consideration for the individual. The airlines just want to know if you have their minimum requirements or not. If that is 200hrs with a frozen ATPL and current class 1 and IR then they will not really be bothered 'which' school you went to........you either meet their minimum requirements or you don't. At best it will be a talking point at your interview. The further you get away from 'minimum' hours the less relevant it becomes. Very few airlines will commit to requiring 'integrated only' as they will be limiting their options. Any airline worth it's salt will look at the individual and see if they have the qualities to fit into their organisation.
I also take the GAPAN survey results (mainly the comments not reproduced here, but not the table reproduced by letsrock2019) with a bit of reserve. What airlines say they want and what they actually accept are often wildly different. They may say that in an ideal world they require thousands of hours and degree education standards and blah, blah, blah, but in reality they will have plenty of pilots working for them who did not have these. The current market is undoubtably tougher than the recent past and they can ask a lot more, but as sure as eggs is eggs there will be individuals getting interviews who do not meet the 'idealised' criterion mentioned on that website. More and more airlines are selecting the person rather than the hours/ type rating.
Chose the training route that suits you best. If that's modular then fine, if it's integrated then no problem either. Do not however be taken in by the hype about 'better chance of employment' or 'airline contacts' offered by integrated schools. Sure, they have them, but you cannot justify spending all that extra money on a 'chance' of getting a recommendation.
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The quality of training is only a consideration for the individual. The airlines just want to know if you have their minimum requirements or not. If that is 200hrs with a frozen ATPL and current class 1 and IR then they will not really be bothered 'which' school you went to........you either meet their minimum requirements or you don't. At best it will be a talking point at your interview. The further you get away from 'minimum' hours the less relevant it becomes. Very few airlines will commit to requiring 'integrated only' as they will be limiting their options. Any airline worth it's salt will look at the individual and see if they have the qualities to fit into their organisation.
I also take the GAPAN survey results (mainly the comments not reproduced here, but not the table reproduced by letsrock2019) with a bit of reserve. What airlines say they want and what they actually accept are often wildly different. They may say that in an ideal world they require thousands of hours and degree education standards and blah, blah, blah, but in reality they will have plenty of pilots working for them who did not have these. The current market is undoubtably tougher than the recent past and they can ask a lot more, but as sure as eggs is eggs there will be individuals getting interviews who do not meet the 'idealised' criterion mentioned on that website. More and more airlines are selecting the person rather than the hours/ type rating.
Chose the training route that suits you best. If that's modular then fine, if it's integrated then no problem either. Do not however be taken in by the hype about 'better chance of employment' or 'airline contacts' offered by integrated schools. Sure, they have them, but you cannot justify spending all that extra money on a 'chance' of getting a recommendation.
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I feel I would be more suited to the Modular, however this Integrated keeps nagging in my mind.
Scenario 1: you go for the modular training, progressing at your own rate and choosing schools you like. 12 months later, you have an fATPL. You apply to the airlines, but realistically you're going to need to build some time elsewhere before they'll look at you.
Scenario 2: you go for integrated training. But, as you've said yourself, you are more suited to modular. You find that the course progresses to slowly in place, too fast in other places. You don't like the regimantal approach to training. 4 months later, you drop out of the course because you're not enjoying it. You take up modular training, and get your fATPL 10 months later. The course has taken 2 months longer than scenario 1, and probably cost more - and although you'll be able to dress it up a bit, your CV will show that you dropped out of training.
As I suggested in my earlier post (although I'd guessed at your gut feeling incorrectly), you should go with whatever feels right for you. There is no benefit in choosing one over the other as far as future employment goes, but the downside of choosing the wrong option now could certainly come back to haunt you later.
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cfb - I agree that high quality training is a key ingredient in gaining a coveted airline career.
I do not agree with your analysis that the highest quality is generally found on the Integrated training path.
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I do not agree with your analysis that the highest quality is generally found on the Integrated training path.
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Just to add a little of my opinions to this matter, I feel it is important as a modular route pilot to be able to account to any prospective employer what you achieved/practiced in your 100+ hours between PPL and CPL skills tests.
If you did nothing to practice and develop your skills and just burnt holes in the sky to build up hours, then ti may work against you, both in terms of difficulty in passing the CPL skills test and any subsequent employment interview. If you can demonstrate that you undertook an organised and varied flight programme with defined goals for improving your flying, then you have plenty to shout about.
Ultimately, which ever route you take you have the same licences and ticks in the boxes. The downfall with modular is that some will be suspicious as to what you learnt outside of controlled course environments. If you can prove that it was a constructively worked period then that suspicion should be eliminated. Moreover, you are demonstrating that you have initiative and the maturity not required by those on the "spoon fed" integrated route.
Whilst those who train via the integrated route will hail its advantages, likewise there are different advantages to the modular route normally raised by those from that route (not merely cost).
Airlines mostly hire on the information gathered by interviews/team exercises and a simulator ride. I would argue that the modular and integrated candidates should both be equally competant in the sim, but I feel a modular candidate will have developed more skills relevant for the interview/group/personality stages.
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If you did nothing to practice and develop your skills and just burnt holes in the sky to build up hours, then ti may work against you, both in terms of difficulty in passing the CPL skills test and any subsequent employment interview. If you can demonstrate that you undertook an organised and varied flight programme with defined goals for improving your flying, then you have plenty to shout about.
Ultimately, which ever route you take you have the same licences and ticks in the boxes. The downfall with modular is that some will be suspicious as to what you learnt outside of controlled course environments. If you can prove that it was a constructively worked period then that suspicion should be eliminated. Moreover, you are demonstrating that you have initiative and the maturity not required by those on the "spoon fed" integrated route.
Whilst those who train via the integrated route will hail its advantages, likewise there are different advantages to the modular route normally raised by those from that route (not merely cost).
Airlines mostly hire on the information gathered by interviews/team exercises and a simulator ride. I would argue that the modular and integrated candidates should both be equally competant in the sim, but I feel a modular candidate will have developed more skills relevant for the interview/group/personality stages.
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PS go with what feels right for you.
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A case example...
WWW and El D start training at roughly the same time some long years ago. They both had a PPL, similar education levels (although WWW has a degree and El D does not. but El D has a twin rating, IMC and Night), and the same bull-headed idea that flying for a living is the only thing worth doing.
El D sells house, BMW, gives up ridiculously well-paid job and hands over the savings account to pay for the (now defunct) CAP 509 course at a well known training provider. WWW draws up master-plan to obtain frozen ATPL on a budget of around £15.99.
About a year later they find themselves at the same airfield, at roughly the same level of (in)experience and training but at different schools. Lots of beer.
About six months after that, they find themselves in the queue to put 50p in a machine for 10 ml of dire coffee at an establishment somewhere near London after a gruelling session in a simulator - the only difference being El D's machine had 757 printed on the side, and WWW's had 737. Both were there on airline type-rating courses. Lots of Southern Comfort.
El D skipped the instructing part of WWW's career and wishes he had had the privilege of a year or two by a pool in Jerez and the experience that can only come from instructing. He spent it being a passenger in the RHS into some horrible airfields around Europe, but considers it time well spent towards the command assessment.
Last year WWW kindly offered El D a recommendation for interview with Go/Ej because El D's airline was up the creek without a paddle. Eight months later, El D is quite glad he is with Airline X and is wondering if he might be asked to return the favour ! By now, I hope you see where I'm coming from
Integrated/Modular... doesn't matter. It's the old 509 / Self Improver debate but with less difficulty processing it through the CAA. The only thing myself and WWW really had in common throughout the process was a complete determination to succeed and 110% effort.
If you are a tosser, but the world's greatest sim driver, you will not get a job. If you are the world's greatest bloke/blokette but don't really know what a parallel entry is ('cos you were lucky enough not to get it on your IR), you will not get a job. If you send off CVs when no one is hiring... you will not get a job.
If (like most of us), you are a reasonably well-rounded individual with average flying skills, and are fortunate enough to be on the top of the CV pile when an airline is hiring... you will get that RHS. Integrated... Modular..... it's not a debate, it's irrelevant.
WWW and El D start training at roughly the same time some long years ago. They both had a PPL, similar education levels (although WWW has a degree and El D does not. but El D has a twin rating, IMC and Night), and the same bull-headed idea that flying for a living is the only thing worth doing.
El D sells house, BMW, gives up ridiculously well-paid job and hands over the savings account to pay for the (now defunct) CAP 509 course at a well known training provider. WWW draws up master-plan to obtain frozen ATPL on a budget of around £15.99.
About a year later they find themselves at the same airfield, at roughly the same level of (in)experience and training but at different schools. Lots of beer.
About six months after that, they find themselves in the queue to put 50p in a machine for 10 ml of dire coffee at an establishment somewhere near London after a gruelling session in a simulator - the only difference being El D's machine had 757 printed on the side, and WWW's had 737. Both were there on airline type-rating courses. Lots of Southern Comfort.
El D skipped the instructing part of WWW's career and wishes he had had the privilege of a year or two by a pool in Jerez and the experience that can only come from instructing. He spent it being a passenger in the RHS into some horrible airfields around Europe, but considers it time well spent towards the command assessment.
Last year WWW kindly offered El D a recommendation for interview with Go/Ej because El D's airline was up the creek without a paddle. Eight months later, El D is quite glad he is with Airline X and is wondering if he might be asked to return the favour ! By now, I hope you see where I'm coming from
Integrated/Modular... doesn't matter. It's the old 509 / Self Improver debate but with less difficulty processing it through the CAA. The only thing myself and WWW really had in common throughout the process was a complete determination to succeed and 110% effort.
If you are a tosser, but the world's greatest sim driver, you will not get a job. If you are the world's greatest bloke/blokette but don't really know what a parallel entry is ('cos you were lucky enough not to get it on your IR), you will not get a job. If you send off CVs when no one is hiring... you will not get a job.
If (like most of us), you are a reasonably well-rounded individual with average flying skills, and are fortunate enough to be on the top of the CV pile when an airline is hiring... you will get that RHS. Integrated... Modular..... it's not a debate, it's irrelevant.
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Well said El D!
And just to give a viewpoint on Obs cop's analysis. With all due respect and I have no idea of your experience level, but your comments do come across as someone who has not spent any time employed in an airline. This is not meant to be derogatory, far from it, I had similar views before I had experience.
Hour building? Just something you did, no airlines cares a less what you did in those 100 odd hours. You mentioned it yourself; whatever route you took you ended up with the same qualification.
As for 'suspicion' concerning modular.......again a non starter. The way I see it is modular is integrated without the 'regimentation'. The training follows very similar patterns. Not a lot of room for suspicion if you do modular full time! No airline is suspicious of what you learnt, Christ all that matters is that you learnt what was required to pass your exams and IR!
El D has hit the nail on the head regarding interviews and jobs. You either have it or you don't. If you do you prepare well and show the determination that is required to succeed. If you don't (whatever route of training you took) you fall by the wayside and then end up bitching about how unfair the industry is and how everything was against you and how everyone else is to blame except you........who of course is perfect.
Let's stop trying to put individuals into boxes because of the route they took to licence issue. Not all integrated are 'youngsters' whom Daddy is paying for and not all modular are career changers with 15 years of 'adult' life experience. They are all individuals who picked a route because it suited them best. It makes no difference in the big scheme of things. Just get qualified and build some hours whilst keeping current and working like hell to make your own luck..................................
Good luck (to those who strive for it)
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And just to give a viewpoint on Obs cop's analysis. With all due respect and I have no idea of your experience level, but your comments do come across as someone who has not spent any time employed in an airline. This is not meant to be derogatory, far from it, I had similar views before I had experience.
Hour building? Just something you did, no airlines cares a less what you did in those 100 odd hours. You mentioned it yourself; whatever route you took you ended up with the same qualification.
As for 'suspicion' concerning modular.......again a non starter. The way I see it is modular is integrated without the 'regimentation'. The training follows very similar patterns. Not a lot of room for suspicion if you do modular full time! No airline is suspicious of what you learnt, Christ all that matters is that you learnt what was required to pass your exams and IR!
El D has hit the nail on the head regarding interviews and jobs. You either have it or you don't. If you do you prepare well and show the determination that is required to succeed. If you don't (whatever route of training you took) you fall by the wayside and then end up bitching about how unfair the industry is and how everything was against you and how everyone else is to blame except you........who of course is perfect.
Let's stop trying to put individuals into boxes because of the route they took to licence issue. Not all integrated are 'youngsters' whom Daddy is paying for and not all modular are career changers with 15 years of 'adult' life experience. They are all individuals who picked a route because it suited them best. It makes no difference in the big scheme of things. Just get qualified and build some hours whilst keeping current and working like hell to make your own luck..................................
Good luck (to those who strive for it)
PP
El Desperado - excellent post my friend. Kinda sums it up pretty well if everyone reads it carefully. The two routes suit different people for different reasons and there is no necessary difference in the outcome of either path.
They seem to keep sending me up to GLA and the frozen barren North lately - I'll drop you a line for a beer - but this time no Southern Comfort and Marlboro Red else I'll fail my next Class One :-)
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p.s. My ATPL wasn'y £14.99. It was £14,990.
Ahh, but those were the days of the mighty BCPL. Curuthers - fetch me my rose tinted spectacals and perhaps a globe covered two thirds in pink... and yer tell the youngsters of today and they don't believe yer..!
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They seem to keep sending me up to GLA and the frozen barren North lately - I'll drop you a line for a beer - but this time no Southern Comfort and Marlboro Red else I'll fail my next Class One :-)
WWW
p.s. My ATPL wasn'y £14.99. It was £14,990.
Ahh, but those were the days of the mighty BCPL. Curuthers - fetch me my rose tinted spectacals and perhaps a globe covered two thirds in pink... and yer tell the youngsters of today and they don't believe yer..!
;-)
WWW