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Just had my HPL exam today at Silsoe and what a load of rubbish - well not many of the feedback questions I saw came up.
What did anybody else think to it?
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What did anybody else think to it?
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Completely and Utterly off the wall. half of the stuff I had had never heard of, or was too obscure to answer confidently.
I had heard HPL was the banker, I must admit I think that is the one I am most confident I failed!.
I had heard HPL was the banker, I must admit I think that is the one I am most confident I failed!.
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Got to agree with you there Tron - and the question about hyperventilation was a pig
Oh well - lets see how we all did in a week or so's time.
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Oh well - lets see how we all did in a week or so's time.
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I also took HPL,I think the CAA want us all to be psychologists!!
I totally agree with you both,I sat through most of the exam scratching my head.
All the exams I took this week(7 in all),were bloody hard.Perhaps its like the driving test,pass some ,fail some depending which month it is!!
Oh well looking forward to the results(yer right!).
Me thinks another trip up to the caa again.
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Looks like the rumours last year that the French were complaining about the content of HPL have come true.
This goes back to diving physiology don't remember doing it in HPL
The breathing into a bag is because the rate you breath is related to the PH in your blood which if you are hyperventerlating is extremely low (low CO2). This puts your body into shock which increases the panic level. Breathing into the bag increases the CO2 to normal levels which allows the body to come out of shock. Then lets the brain to recover control.
In diving this can be a very bad thing because if you hyperventilate then hold your breath the body gets its trigger to breath from the PH level (carboxy acid I think). So you can run out of oxygen for respiraion before the body gets its trigger to breath. So you just pass out. Which because we need a consuious thought to keep the demand valve in our mouths, usually leads to death unless you buddy spots it in time.
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This goes back to diving physiology don't remember doing it in HPL
The breathing into a bag is because the rate you breath is related to the PH in your blood which if you are hyperventerlating is extremely low (low CO2). This puts your body into shock which increases the panic level. Breathing into the bag increases the CO2 to normal levels which allows the body to come out of shock. Then lets the brain to recover control.
In diving this can be a very bad thing because if you hyperventilate then hold your breath the body gets its trigger to breath from the PH level (carboxy acid I think). So you can run out of oxygen for respiraion before the body gets its trigger to breath. So you just pass out. Which because we need a consuious thought to keep the demand valve in our mouths, usually leads to death unless you buddy spots it in time.
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Not done the exam but agree with mad_jock. The dangers of panic and hyperventilation are well known to divers. Not sure that the body goes into shock though. Unconsciousness can occur because the low levels of carbon dioxide in the blood mean that the breathing reflex is not triggered. This is quite diffrerent from shock in the medical sense. Its also one of the big dangers for free divers, who will often pass out suddenly and often on the surface because the hyperventilation before the dive flushes the system of Co2.
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if the CAA does not accept the answer about the paper bag, you should write to the FAA and CAA, cuz this is in all FAA books.(question for privat pilot)
the paper bag decreases your Oxygen in your blood then brain.
All I know and it s what a FAA FI teaches.
the paper bag decreases your Oxygen in your blood then brain.
All I know and it s what a FAA FI teaches.
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MR PM - I do wish you would speak out and tell me who you are - SE England I have narrowed it down to two people
SE England - Must be a southern fairy
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Too much reliance on feedback
Hi Jinkster,
I have been following many threads tonight and your name crops up all over the place. That isn't a bad thing in itself but does suggest that you aren't studying in the true sense of the word. Remember the JAA recommended weekly study is 15 hours, and that's a tough call IF YOU ARE WORKING.
The other thing that strikes me is that you are continually harping on about feedback, and offering it to all and sundry. Again not a bad thing but you have forgotten, it seems, that feedback isn't guaranteed to be correct, and won't necessarily cover the full subject syllabus. You are the classic reason why many schools caution you before the groundschool that the feedback doesn't replace study, just backs it up, and hopefully in the right areas.
I have been following many threads tonight and your name crops up all over the place. That isn't a bad thing in itself but does suggest that you aren't studying in the true sense of the word. Remember the JAA recommended weekly study is 15 hours, and that's a tough call IF YOU ARE WORKING.
The other thing that strikes me is that you are continually harping on about feedback, and offering it to all and sundry. Again not a bad thing but you have forgotten, it seems, that feedback isn't guaranteed to be correct, and won't necessarily cover the full subject syllabus. You are the classic reason why many schools caution you before the groundschool that the feedback doesn't replace study, just backs it up, and hopefully in the right areas.
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Dynamic Apathy,
If all feedback questions are for learning question and answers then I agree it to be a no no for what you have said on your previous post.
However if feedback questions are used for a back up to revision or to test the progress of your study then I personally do not see a problem with them at all. Some questions are conflicting which can be confusing at times but thats just how it is.
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If all feedback questions are for learning question and answers then I agree it to be a no no for what you have said on your previous post.
However if feedback questions are used for a back up to revision or to test the progress of your study then I personally do not see a problem with them at all. Some questions are conflicting which can be confusing at times but thats just how it is.
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Hi again Jinkster,
You have exactly proved my point in a way. Many questions are incorrectly remembered and contain conflicting or inaccurate answers. but then having accepted that particular risk there is the case that a significant number of questions may not have been covered by feedback.
One other problem with feedback is that you may think you recognise a particular question and not read it. There are questions similar to those in the feedback but written in the negative sense from the one you saw.
All in all, a combination of the above circumstances and suddenly a student who should have passed the exam fails. It is your choice, but the caution here is well meant. My advice is to cover the course notes again, and then check against your feedback, and with any luck you'll now spot the wrongly answered questions before they get you, and you'll be better prepared for when suddenly there isn't the luxury having seen all the questions before.
High Wing et al:
Students can comment on questions on their papers, but challenging the questions directly with the big bosses has to be done through your instructors, within 3 working days of the end of the exam week. The questions thus challenged are reconsidered by the CAA, but often the response is that the question was wrongly remembered and therefore safe. The integrity of the secret question bank will not be conpromised.
Oh well, we all have a cross to bear
You have exactly proved my point in a way. Many questions are incorrectly remembered and contain conflicting or inaccurate answers. but then having accepted that particular risk there is the case that a significant number of questions may not have been covered by feedback.
One other problem with feedback is that you may think you recognise a particular question and not read it. There are questions similar to those in the feedback but written in the negative sense from the one you saw.
All in all, a combination of the above circumstances and suddenly a student who should have passed the exam fails. It is your choice, but the caution here is well meant. My advice is to cover the course notes again, and then check against your feedback, and with any luck you'll now spot the wrongly answered questions before they get you, and you'll be better prepared for when suddenly there isn't the luxury having seen all the questions before.
High Wing et al:
Students can comment on questions on their papers, but challenging the questions directly with the big bosses has to be done through your instructors, within 3 working days of the end of the exam week. The questions thus challenged are reconsidered by the CAA, but often the response is that the question was wrongly remembered and therefore safe. The integrity of the secret question bank will not be conpromised.
Oh well, we all have a cross to bear