BA: Binned Again
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Hey i was just telling you all how it is, its good to encourage people etc but half of you lot all live in cloud 9. Attitude does count for a lot, but i'm afraid if you have failed interviews and aptitude tests etc is because the airlines don't think you have the ability to last the training, its not just about flying these days but customer service....i suggest rusty you get your ass down tescos for a stint on the deli, this is sure to build your character.
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oops, started a riot.
Harry: Your kind should be shot, as you only bring the rest of us into disrepute. You sit up there and talk about attitude, well yours sucks mate!
We really should have a method of barring individuals like this.
D2 & Pielander: The 'again' in binned again refers to apptitudes I did when I was a nipper for the RAF ( I was trying to do MICROPATS when I was 16 and was suffering from the flu!!), yes failing aptitudes terrifys the living daylights out of me because it implys that you dont have the apptitude to be a pilot. I prefer to think that I just had a bad day. I am posting the letter requesting feedback today and intend to use the feedback to practice the weak areas (I firmly believe that if you manage to practice the apptitudes you can get better at them). Final board is what worrys me, because you have to justify to your employer why they should invest 10s of thousands in you
In terms of getting into BA or even passing any interviews or apptitudes for any sponsorship I am not worried and to be honest I dont care who I work for as long as they give me an aircaft to fly, there is more than one way to skin a rabbit and I WILL be a pilot even if I have to pay for it myself. (highly likley, the bank are gonna love me!!) The trick is dont worry, see any rejections as part of the process rather than the end of the story. I am really only starting on this and a couple of kicks are to be expected. If you want it as badly as we do then its just a matter of time.
Just keep looking up at the contrails.
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Harry: Your kind should be shot, as you only bring the rest of us into disrepute. You sit up there and talk about attitude, well yours sucks mate!
We really should have a method of barring individuals like this.
D2 & Pielander: The 'again' in binned again refers to apptitudes I did when I was a nipper for the RAF ( I was trying to do MICROPATS when I was 16 and was suffering from the flu!!), yes failing aptitudes terrifys the living daylights out of me because it implys that you dont have the apptitude to be a pilot. I prefer to think that I just had a bad day. I am posting the letter requesting feedback today and intend to use the feedback to practice the weak areas (I firmly believe that if you manage to practice the apptitudes you can get better at them). Final board is what worrys me, because you have to justify to your employer why they should invest 10s of thousands in you
In terms of getting into BA or even passing any interviews or apptitudes for any sponsorship I am not worried and to be honest I dont care who I work for as long as they give me an aircaft to fly, there is more than one way to skin a rabbit and I WILL be a pilot even if I have to pay for it myself. (highly likley, the bank are gonna love me!!) The trick is dont worry, see any rejections as part of the process rather than the end of the story. I am really only starting on this and a couple of kicks are to be expected. If you want it as badly as we do then its just a matter of time.Just keep looking up at the contrails.
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Harry I think it is YOU who lives on cloud nine!
As I said on my earlier post, I didnt get into BA when I applied for sponsorship. Therefore I paid for it myself. As I had failed the the aptitude tests, as you put it I would not be able to handle the training......WRONG (AGAIN!!!) I have never to date failed a flying test. Also I have never had an airline simulator assessment below, "above average". I started flying at 16. Now 22 I have flown 2 commercial types (Saab 340 and Boeing 757.) [They are aeroplanes in case you were not aware!]I am not boasting (I dont have any reason to)I am just pointing out what can be done as a "BA reject!"
If, you are sponsored by BA then what stage are you at? Are you actually flying for them?? Because I am sure that with your attitude, YOU wont make it through the course. You will be either weeded out in the simulator, or during line training. Lets face it you DONT have what it takes, do you? You have jumped the first of many hoops. You are the type of guy that the airlines tryed to get rid of in the early 70's and 80's! The "I am the best and no-one can question me type." Well sorry mate, but unless you change your nasty ways, you will be back on the deli at Tescos before long!
You are obviously unaware of what a pilot actually does! We dont go wandering through the cabin asking pax their travell plans! As an Airline Pilot the only time you will see the pax is when you go to the toilet! I am not saying that is a good thing, but thats the way it is!! Customer service does not come into it. We like to leave that with the Customer Service Agents, thats what they are there for!!
I dont know why I bother because, I wont change your prehistoric views. I can only hope that you change before you get into the aircraft!
Well done to everyone who got into BA. You have all done very well! You are in a great position and I hope you all make the most of it!
It is nice to see Harry that the others that got into BA DO NOT share your views!
BREAK RIGHT:- Well done mate you have exactly the right outlook on life! I realy hope you make it, I am sure you will!
MISTER GEEZER:- Cheers for your support!
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As I said on my earlier post, I didnt get into BA when I applied for sponsorship. Therefore I paid for it myself. As I had failed the the aptitude tests, as you put it I would not be able to handle the training......WRONG (AGAIN!!!)
I have never to date failed a flying test. Also I have never had an airline simulator assessment below, "above average". I started flying at 16. Now 22 I have flown 2 commercial types (Saab 340 and Boeing 757.) [They are aeroplanes in case you were not aware!]I am not boasting (I dont have any reason to)I am just pointing out what can be done as a "BA reject!" If, you are sponsored by BA then what stage are you at? Are you actually flying for them?? Because I am sure that with your attitude, YOU wont make it through the course. You will be either weeded out in the simulator, or during line training. Lets face it you DONT have what it takes, do you? You have jumped the first of many hoops. You are the type of guy that the airlines tryed to get rid of in the early 70's and 80's! The "I am the best and no-one can question me type." Well sorry mate, but unless you change your nasty ways, you will be back on the deli at Tescos before long!
You are obviously unaware of what a pilot actually does! We dont go wandering through the cabin asking pax their travell plans! As an Airline Pilot the only time you will see the pax is when you go to the toilet! I am not saying that is a good thing, but thats the way it is!! Customer service does not come into it. We like to leave that with the Customer Service Agents, thats what they are there for!!
I dont know why I bother because, I wont change your prehistoric views. I can only hope that you change before you get into the aircraft!
Well done to everyone who got into BA. You have all done very well! You are in a great position and I hope you all make the most of it!
It is nice to see Harry that the others that got into BA DO NOT share your views!BREAK RIGHT:- Well done mate you have exactly the right outlook on life! I realy hope you make it, I am sure you will!
MISTER GEEZER:- Cheers for your support!
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hardonharry,
You sound like you're quoting direct from a BA glossy brochure! You have to bear in mind that airlines look for different things in their pilots. Obviously, we all need the basic aptitude, but BA tend to put more emphasis on Customer Service than others. It doesn't make them right and everyone else wrong. Customer Service is important but it's not the be all and end all.
Eff Oh - I agree with most of what you say. I disagree slightly with what you said about Customer Service being up to the CS reps. Everyone in the organisation had a role to play and a contribution to make to customer service (sorry if I sound corny), but as I said above - it's not the be all and end all.
hardonharry (again) - I do take offence that your attitude seems to imply that a pilot who works for someone other than BA is somehow going to have a lesser career than a BA pilot. It is possible to join BA at a young age and stay with them forever and be very satisfied, but equally, getting rejected and then working your way up through instructing, night cargo and turboprops can also be satisfying. Those who have to work hard to achieve something are more likely to appreciate it.
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You sound like you're quoting direct from a BA glossy brochure! You have to bear in mind that airlines look for different things in their pilots. Obviously, we all need the basic aptitude, but BA tend to put more emphasis on Customer Service than others. It doesn't make them right and everyone else wrong. Customer Service is important but it's not the be all and end all.
Eff Oh - I agree with most of what you say. I disagree slightly with what you said about Customer Service being up to the CS reps. Everyone in the organisation had a role to play and a contribution to make to customer service (sorry if I sound corny), but as I said above - it's not the be all and end all.
hardonharry (again) - I do take offence that your attitude seems to imply that a pilot who works for someone other than BA is somehow going to have a lesser career than a BA pilot. It is possible to join BA at a young age and stay with them forever and be very satisfied, but equally, getting rejected and then working your way up through instructing, night cargo and turboprops can also be satisfying. Those who have to work hard to achieve something are more likely to appreciate it.
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TOKEN BIRD:- I totally agree with you. We do all have a certain responsibilty for CS. However as a pilot it pays a tiny amont of our job. I suppose if you look at on time departures, trying to make slots, dealing with ground crew as CS then yes. I ment the raw facing the public type CS. (As you would get in Tesco.) I have done that too. It aint the same! I agree we do all have a small part of CS to deal with. I also agree that it aint the be all and end all!
Eff Oh.
Eff Oh.
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Eff Oh, judging by the literary reaction to Harry's faux pas I wouldn't want to throw the cat back amongst the pidgeons but; did working behind the Tesco deli at sixteen pay you so well that you are subsequently able to write "Therefore I paid for it myself", in respect of your training? If it did I'm off to my local supermarket straight away!
Irrespective of how you did it you've done very well to fly 757's at 22 BUT, the way you jump on Harry's comments, no matter how ridiculous or ill-informed they are, does reflect a level of immaturity. Simmer down.
Irrespective of how you did it you've done very well to fly 757's at 22 BUT, the way you jump on Harry's comments, no matter how ridiculous or ill-informed they are, does reflect a level of immaturity. Simmer down.
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No E-FIZZ working in ASDA didn't pay the £55,000 for my training. Several insurance policies a Career development loan and my parents remortgaging their house paid for that! So no I am not some little rich kid! Yes I am VERY fortunate. Yes it was a MAJOR struggle! However I will be paying it back for the next 5 years! Enough of my finacial background.
I am far from immature, if I was, I wouldnt be in the position I am now. I have never been called immature in my life! I may be many things, but that is one thing I am not!
I dont come on to PPRUNE and slagg people willy nilly! I am not that type of person. Ask anyone on here who knows me. I do think that our dear friend HARRY is immature. His posts clearly show an immature, "I'm alright Jack" type of attitude. Now E-Fizz I dont know you, or your background. However if you are involved in aviation, then I am sure that you will agree that Harry has the type of attitude that we tried to stamp out years ago!
Dont you think that the way Harry stuck the boot into BREAK RIGHT was out of order? There was absolutely no need for that type of response! It was totally unacceptable. Put yourself in BREAK RIGHT's position when he read that! He never complained or moaned. He even wished everyone else "All the best"! For Harry to attack him in the way he did, I think is wrong! My post's intention was to show that following rejection by BA, that you can still make it in the Aviation industry! Some people could be put off or disheartened by HARRY's comments. I am glad to see that BREAK RIGHT is not one of them!
This is not a discussion of my achievements or career prospects! Far from it. It is a discussion (and that is all it is) of one person's comments to another! I (and the majority of others) disagree with HARRYs opinions. I dont think from your post that you agree with HARRY, I could be wrong, but I dont think HARRY should be let away with this! I do appreciate and accept your comments. However I do not think that anywere in my post do I appear to be immature.
As for me simmering down..... I dont think I have lost it at all in my posts. The good old PPRuNe phrase springs to mind........"If you don't like it...Don't read it!!" I am sure HARRY is big enough to conduct his own discussions! I believe if you post on here you should be able to take any justified critisisim (as I am now!!)
Eff Oh.
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I am far from immature, if I was, I wouldnt be in the position I am now. I have never been called immature in my life! I may be many things, but that is one thing I am not!
I dont come on to PPRUNE and slagg people willy nilly! I am not that type of person. Ask anyone on here who knows me. I do think that our dear friend HARRY is immature. His posts clearly show an immature, "I'm alright Jack" type of attitude. Now E-Fizz I dont know you, or your background. However if you are involved in aviation, then I am sure that you will agree that Harry has the type of attitude that we tried to stamp out years ago!
Dont you think that the way Harry stuck the boot into BREAK RIGHT was out of order? There was absolutely no need for that type of response! It was totally unacceptable. Put yourself in BREAK RIGHT's position when he read that! He never complained or moaned. He even wished everyone else "All the best"! For Harry to attack him in the way he did, I think is wrong! My post's intention was to show that following rejection by BA, that you can still make it in the Aviation industry! Some people could be put off or disheartened by HARRY's comments. I am glad to see that BREAK RIGHT is not one of them!
This is not a discussion of my achievements or career prospects! Far from it. It is a discussion (and that is all it is) of one person's comments to another! I (and the majority of others) disagree with HARRYs opinions. I dont think from your post that you agree with HARRY, I could be wrong, but I dont think HARRY should be let away with this! I do appreciate and accept your comments. However I do not think that anywere in my post do I appear to be immature.
As for me simmering down..... I dont think I have lost it at all in my posts. The good old PPRuNe phrase springs to mind........"If you don't like it...Don't read it!!" I am sure HARRY is big enough to conduct his own discussions! I believe if you post on here you should be able to take any justified critisisim (as I am now!!)
Eff Oh.
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Yo E-Fizz - if standing up for your buddies when some !!!! takes a dig at them makes you immature then I guess I'm every bit as immature as Eff Oh.
weeknob (much better ring than hardon no?) harry has no right to judge or label someone who hasn't passed an aptitude test - would any of us slag someone off for failing a sim check or god forbid a medical???? I think not.
As a mere wannabe I have already ascertained that the odds are stacked against myself and others in the chase for that first job, and when some twit who thinks he is better than everyone else gets on his high horse it really does get me down.
Hey Harry - hope you enjoy BA, might even get to fly with you one day, and I really really hope you pay attention when you get to that CRM course.
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weeknob (much better ring than hardon no?) harry has no right to judge or label someone who hasn't passed an aptitude test - would any of us slag someone off for failing a sim check or god forbid a medical???? I think not.
As a mere wannabe I have already ascertained that the odds are stacked against myself and others in the chase for that first job, and when some twit who thinks he is better than everyone else gets on his high horse it really does get me down.
Hey Harry - hope you enjoy BA, might even get to fly with you one day, and I really really hope you pay attention when you get to that CRM course.
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Eff Oh - "if you don't like it - don't read it" is a contradiction in terms, I'm looking for information and so read everything. You're right though, I don't agree with harry's post it's silly, you know it, I know it and Harry knows it ... well ... maybe he doesn't but there we go ...
As far as immaturity goes, we all have our moments, me included, it would be immature of me not to admit so! But quips about peoples spelling, grammatical correctnes etc etc is trite, especially when you make mistakes of your own.
I happen to think that even people like the infamous 'ronchonner' have a point. It's just difficult to see it through his crazed style of writing.
None of us are anywhere near perfect...
As far as immaturity goes, we all have our moments, me included, it would be immature of me not to admit so! But quips about peoples spelling, grammatical correctnes etc etc is trite, especially when you make mistakes of your own.
I happen to think that even people like the infamous 'ronchonner' have a point. It's just difficult to see it through his crazed style of writing.
None of us are anywhere near perfect...
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Harry,
keep up this attitude and you will be out before your training is complete. I do not know anyone who has been given the heave-ho due to inability to fly, (and when you think about it, 140 CEPs taken out of approx 35000 applicants in my year - not getting in doesn't mean you won't be a pilot ever, it just means there were a lot of applicants and they have to reject some of them some how.) Anyway, getting back to attitude. Believe me when I say they watch your attitude very closely. You will be part of a team at your school, doing charity events, social events, and team presentations. You will be expected to be a courteous and polite member of these teams. You will have to pull your weight and be encouraging to the members for whom this is not their strong point. The attitude you are currently displaying is not one of courtesy and politeness. In fact it appears that your attitude is extremely antisocial. Not content with getting people's backs up once you come back for more. Even your potential coursemates who are starting their course soon, maybe with you, are expressing their dismay at having to spend a year with you.
Believe me, BA will notice this. So sharpen up now, show us you're a big man, and apologise to the various people you have insulted on this thread, starting with Break Right.
keep up this attitude and you will be out before your training is complete. I do not know anyone who has been given the heave-ho due to inability to fly, (and when you think about it, 140 CEPs taken out of approx 35000 applicants in my year - not getting in doesn't mean you won't be a pilot ever, it just means there were a lot of applicants and they have to reject some of them some how.) Anyway, getting back to attitude. Believe me when I say they watch your attitude very closely. You will be part of a team at your school, doing charity events, social events, and team presentations. You will be expected to be a courteous and polite member of these teams. You will have to pull your weight and be encouraging to the members for whom this is not their strong point. The attitude you are currently displaying is not one of courtesy and politeness. In fact it appears that your attitude is extremely antisocial. Not content with getting people's backs up once you come back for more. Even your potential coursemates who are starting their course soon, maybe with you, are expressing their dismay at having to spend a year with you.
Believe me, BA will notice this. So sharpen up now, show us you're a big man, and apologise to the various people you have insulted on this thread, starting with Break Right.
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What Pandora has said is very true, and if I may distill between the lines a little bit...
Way back in the dim-and-distant was-it-really-that-long-ago when my bunch of 16 lucky souls fronted up at EGPK, within 2 weeks it was obvious to those on the course who would a/ struggle, b/ come top or close to it, c/ be chopped for PQ's (personal qualities) within the blink of an eye d/ just motor through. There was a great deal of "pulling together;" everyone has strengths and weaknesses and queues would form outside the rooms of people with prowess in Radio Aids, Nav, Met, Perf-A etc.
It's a crucible in there; you can't be someone else for a year and a half, no matter how hard you try.
Now, bearing in mind the red print at the foot of this forum all may not be as it seems, and this thread may have turned into one big fishing expedition. However, I will say good luck to Break Right... hang on in there. BA is not the be-all and end-all of aviation, they just make life a little bit easier.
Right... back into lurker mode on this one.
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Way back in the dim-and-distant was-it-really-that-long-ago when my bunch of 16 lucky souls fronted up at EGPK, within 2 weeks it was obvious to those on the course who would a/ struggle, b/ come top or close to it, c/ be chopped for PQ's (personal qualities) within the blink of an eye d/ just motor through. There was a great deal of "pulling together;" everyone has strengths and weaknesses and queues would form outside the rooms of people with prowess in Radio Aids, Nav, Met, Perf-A etc.
It's a crucible in there; you can't be someone else for a year and a half, no matter how hard you try.
Now, bearing in mind the red print at the foot of this forum all may not be as it seems, and this thread may have turned into one big fishing expedition. However, I will say good luck to Break Right... hang on in there. BA is not the be-all and end-all of aviation, they just make life a little bit easier.
Right... back into lurker mode on this one.
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E-FIZZ:- Thanks for your post... I have NEVER slagged off anyones spelling! (As TUNNELER will tell you, I aint the worlds most gifted!)However I am a pilot, not an english teacher!! The point about HARRY missing out the "Y" in Sunday, was a joke! If you didnt get it then thats OK. It appears as if BREAK RIGHT got it!
You obviously dont like me our my views. Thats what PPRUNE is about! I think I too will retire to the sidelines on this one, as I have said my bit, and feel that it is all turning a bit petty now! Good luck to BREAK RIGHT and to all the BA hopefulls!
All the best.
Eff Oh!
You obviously dont like me our my views. Thats what PPRUNE is about! I think I too will retire to the sidelines on this one, as I have said my bit, and feel that it is all turning a bit petty now! Good luck to BREAK RIGHT and to all the BA hopefulls!
All the best.
Eff Oh!
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hey, who is telling i m immature.
i m problably less immature than you think, i m not the guy paying your crapy schools and dreaming for a job with BA.
I could easily join an european airline because I have the experience.All you have, it s a damn JAR licence you paid a fortune and your family is in big trouble with their bank cuz they believed all your crap stories to become an airline.
Now, if you fail, it s your problem, because you are too bad, and if you are unemployed after several years, it s again YOUR problem, and stop to BLAME the government or the aviation industry.Start to think and be mature, start to fly and be paid to fly.
Pilot is a job, not a job for sisi...
do you think I blame the JAA or the FAA?no, i certainly do nt, do I insult you?, no i don't ?do I say stupidities? maybe, but why do I have so many answers???
Anyway, be proud of your nice yellow tattoo (JAR approved) and stop to ronchonne!!!!
i m problably less immature than you think, i m not the guy paying your crapy schools and dreaming for a job with BA.
I could easily join an european airline because I have the experience.All you have, it s a damn JAR licence you paid a fortune and your family is in big trouble with their bank cuz they believed all your crap stories to become an airline.
Now, if you fail, it s your problem, because you are too bad, and if you are unemployed after several years, it s again YOUR problem, and stop to BLAME the government or the aviation industry.Start to think and be mature, start to fly and be paid to fly.
Pilot is a job, not a job for sisi...
do you think I blame the JAA or the FAA?no, i certainly do nt, do I insult you?, no i don't ?do I say stupidities? maybe, but why do I have so many answers???
Anyway, be proud of your nice yellow tattoo (JAR approved) and stop to ronchonne!!!!
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Nobody said you were immature. (Not on this thread anyway), in fact, I happen to agree with Pandora, in that you do have a valid point. The problem is that you seem to start off every posting by insulting someone, and even if this is just intended to emphasise a point, it actually ends up obscuring the point, because people won't read past it.
I agree with you partly (I think) apart from the BA bit. The whole point about the JAR regs is that they are designed to price private individuals out of the market, and force the airlines to recruit cadets based on personal qualities, such as BA do now. The fact is that this has just not happened yet, but if it did, then piloting would be like any other job, where all you need to have to get it is the right abilities and personality. If the airlines thought you didn't have the right stuff, then they wouldn't employ you, and this would make it harder for @r$eholes to sneak onto the flight deck (though not impossible, as this thread has shown).
I'm not saying that self-sponsored candidates are second rate. They still have to get employed, but then the pool of potential pilots is <artificially> limited mostly by the number of people with the commitment or money to get their commercials. IMHO this does not produce the pilots, but the problem lies with the airlines and their lack of enthusiasm in coughing up for training costs.
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Nobody said you were immature. (Not on this thread anyway), in fact, I happen to agree with Pandora, in that you do have a valid point. The problem is that you seem to start off every posting by insulting someone, and even if this is just intended to emphasise a point, it actually ends up obscuring the point, because people won't read past it.
I agree with you partly (I think) apart from the BA bit. The whole point about the JAR regs is that they are designed to price private individuals out of the market, and force the airlines to recruit cadets based on personal qualities, such as BA do now. The fact is that this has just not happened yet, but if it did, then piloting would be like any other job, where all you need to have to get it is the right abilities and personality. If the airlines thought you didn't have the right stuff, then they wouldn't employ you, and this would make it harder for @r$eholes to sneak onto the flight deck (though not impossible, as this thread has shown).
I'm not saying that self-sponsored candidates are second rate. They still have to get employed, but then the pool of potential pilots is <artificially> limited mostly by the number of people with the commitment or money to get their commercials. IMHO this does not produce the pilots, but the problem lies with the airlines and their lack of enthusiasm in coughing up for training costs.
Pie
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