How can OAT justify £54000?
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How can OAT justify £54000?
How can OAT justify £54000 for their intergrated course. I know that cabair has similar prices as does the other intergrated courses. Compare this with the modular route which is under half price (even at Oxford), and even includes more flying hours. So what is the deal with these schools? Are they just cashing in on employment opportunities for CAP509's with airlines such as BM? If this is the case surely such schools should have employment statistics showing how many of their students after completing go on to airlines compared with the modular route and how many become FIs etc. If anyone knows such statisitcs could you please let me know.
Thanks.
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Tarmach - are you sure that the modular route is less than half price - you may not be including the cost of a PPL and 100 hours P1 in your equation?
The Oxford amount is not a million miles off what I will have paid for my modular, when I finish. OK, I'll come in over £10,000 cheaper than the Oxford integrated, and have not done it on an absolute shoestring (PPL, IMC, night rating and some hour building done in UK), but definitely not less than £27,000.
cheers!
foggy.
The Oxford amount is not a million miles off what I will have paid for my modular, when I finish. OK, I'll come in over £10,000 cheaper than the Oxford integrated, and have not done it on an absolute shoestring (PPL, IMC, night rating and some hour building done in UK), but definitely not less than £27,000.
cheers!
foggy.
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They do not need to justify any amount they charge, if people are willing to pay it.
They can justify £54000 because people are willing to get their cheque books out.
They do not owe anyone any favours!
IMHO some of the best instructors and facilities (ground- and air-side) I have encountered.
Ch-ching!$$$
They can justify £54000 because people are willing to get their cheque books out.
They do not owe anyone any favours!
IMHO some of the best instructors and facilities (ground- and air-side) I have encountered.
Ch-ching!$$$
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That seems unfair for our Irish friends. Is there a way round it??? take a loan out or summit so at least say 20k is in Sterling! and then repay it hopefully when u have a job.
As a matter of interest with the European Licenses etc, is there any country in the EU that doesn't charge Value Added Tax on Flight Trainning?? I know we debate about how unfair the tax is etc and rightly so just out of interest want to know if there are any ways around it. All instructors etc must speak English so couldn't see that being a problem
Sagey
As a matter of interest with the European Licenses etc, is there any country in the EU that doesn't charge Value Added Tax on Flight Trainning?? I know we debate about how unfair the tax is etc and rightly so just out of interest want to know if there are any ways around it. All instructors etc must speak English so couldn't see that being a problem
Sagey
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Jet A1, I agree with you to a point because as long as there are people willing to pay this amount for the highest quaility training then they can get away with charging it. I think what Tarmach is wondering is how much of the £50k+ fee is profit for the company - judging by the lower prices charged elsewhere i would guess that a fair portion of it is. In my view, you are paying for the name on your CV - having OATS on your CV is very unlikely to count against you in your job applications. It is a huge amount of money but perhaps it's worth it to get a job easier after qualifying.
cheers
Rod
cheers
Rod
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<dons world weary expression of resigned despair>
WHY oh why do you suppose that having trained at OATS you will have an advantage in the job market?
Thats just plain wrong my friend. Though I doff my cap to the marketing department at OATS for the great work they have done over the years.
Nobody on the interview panel gives a stuff if you trained at Kiddlington, Bournemouth, Cranfield, Jerez, Leeds or Compton bleedin Abbas! Its not their place to have a clue as to whether or not school A is better than school B. They just trust that the CAA inspects and approves schools and that subsequently they are happy to issue you with a little blue licence.
There are many reasons why OATS have high prices. Not least amongst them the very high operating cost of Kiddlington and employing a staff from the Oxfordshire area. Not a cheap place to live.
They certainly don't pay their instructors more than other large FTO's. Its easier if anything to get hired to instruct at OATS than at other large FTO's. The aircraft are a rag-bag mix of conditions and fits as well.
Is it - perhaps - the fact that BA sends its cadets there that imbues the place with a certain kudos?
Hmm?
Well remember that BA have sent their cadets in the last decade to West Michigan, CABAIR and BAe Prestwick. Not just OATS. And that contract was won by the lowest bidder.
Oh and bear in mind that when BA cadets finish their flying training they are currently being sent over to BAE Jerez for Jet Orientation Courses.
It should be apparent then that BA pick and mix training providers on a regular basis so please, there is NO kudos to OATS training. Those ex-OATS students who persist in thinking that there is are viewed with a mixture of pity and derision by the rest of the flying training community.
And now for the balance.
OATS have a long and well established business and provide good training to the industry norm.
Safe flying,
WWW
WHY oh why do you suppose that having trained at OATS you will have an advantage in the job market?
Thats just plain wrong my friend. Though I doff my cap to the marketing department at OATS for the great work they have done over the years.
Nobody on the interview panel gives a stuff if you trained at Kiddlington, Bournemouth, Cranfield, Jerez, Leeds or Compton bleedin Abbas! Its not their place to have a clue as to whether or not school A is better than school B. They just trust that the CAA inspects and approves schools and that subsequently they are happy to issue you with a little blue licence.
There are many reasons why OATS have high prices. Not least amongst them the very high operating cost of Kiddlington and employing a staff from the Oxfordshire area. Not a cheap place to live.
They certainly don't pay their instructors more than other large FTO's. Its easier if anything to get hired to instruct at OATS than at other large FTO's. The aircraft are a rag-bag mix of conditions and fits as well.
Is it - perhaps - the fact that BA sends its cadets there that imbues the place with a certain kudos?
Hmm?
Well remember that BA have sent their cadets in the last decade to West Michigan, CABAIR and BAe Prestwick. Not just OATS. And that contract was won by the lowest bidder.
Oh and bear in mind that when BA cadets finish their flying training they are currently being sent over to BAE Jerez for Jet Orientation Courses.
It should be apparent then that BA pick and mix training providers on a regular basis so please, there is NO kudos to OATS training. Those ex-OATS students who persist in thinking that there is are viewed with a mixture of pity and derision by the rest of the flying training community.
And now for the balance.
OATS have a long and well established business and provide good training to the industry norm.
Safe flying,
WWW
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Surely if OATS was that good, please I am not knocking it, they would have some employment figures detailing how their graduates fair in the job market. I have not seen any such figures for either OATS or the other schools. Can the conclusion be drawn that these schools- as good as they are may survive on 'hype', and status. For instance, if you want to go on to higher education i.e. to University to read a certain course- one of the first factors you look at is the employment figures both for the course and for the university. So why are these not provided for aviation training organisations unless they have something to hide etc?
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WWW, I got a job 5 weeks after leaving OATS, BECAUSE I went to OATS. I do agree there is alot of hype but there is alot of jealousy as well. All I can say is it got me the job and quick so the money was well spent IMHO.
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hey batty, i was asking about u the other day, wanted to know how things were going with your new job. get in touch u should recognise me when u see my email. all the best, oh i have my IRT and am taking my four retakes in june then all done!!!!!!!!
Gonna miss heyford.
p.s where is my computer game i lent you?
Gonna miss heyford.
p.s where is my computer game i lent you?
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Tarmach,
You are more likely to get a job in this industry if you know someone with connections. Personal recommendations are worth their weight in gold.
It doesn't matter if you are a self-improver, flying instructor, OATS graduate or whatever. Its WHO you know that counts.
As for the £50K+, well would you be willing to take the risk, hopefully endup as a F/O on £20K+ a year with a mountain of debt to pay off?
I've been asking myself the very same question, except I'm looking at the modular route as I'm part way through my PPL at the moment and I enjoy my current job.
Loving your job is one thing, but love don't pay the bills. One has to wonder if this industry is a wolf in sheeps clothing? Once you find out what the industry is really like, its too late. Maybe thats why there are so many unhappy pilots out there.
I'd rather have fun flying in my spare time rather than worry about paying off a massive debt.
One final word, the schools don't have to care, all they are after is to get as many people through their doors as possible. Harsh maybe, but they are in business to make money.
You are more likely to get a job in this industry if you know someone with connections. Personal recommendations are worth their weight in gold.
It doesn't matter if you are a self-improver, flying instructor, OATS graduate or whatever. Its WHO you know that counts.
As for the £50K+, well would you be willing to take the risk, hopefully endup as a F/O on £20K+ a year with a mountain of debt to pay off?
I've been asking myself the very same question, except I'm looking at the modular route as I'm part way through my PPL at the moment and I enjoy my current job.
Loving your job is one thing, but love don't pay the bills. One has to wonder if this industry is a wolf in sheeps clothing? Once you find out what the industry is really like, its too late. Maybe thats why there are so many unhappy pilots out there.
I'd rather have fun flying in my spare time rather than worry about paying off a massive debt.
One final word, the schools don't have to care, all they are after is to get as many people through their doors as possible. Harsh maybe, but they are in business to make money.
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Just for balance. A mate of mine (ex RAF FE) did his multi-IR at OATS Gloucester last year. He was the ONLY one of his course to get a first time pass yet he is STILL without a right hand seat job.
At the same time another mate (yeah two whole mates, can you believe it)finished his IR at AAA at Kirmington (Humberside) and is now with BMC.
Have to agree with WWW here (in my not very informed opinion). I don't think the companies give a wet slap about which school you went to but it sure does help to have contacts.
At the same time another mate (yeah two whole mates, can you believe it)finished his IR at AAA at Kirmington (Humberside) and is now with BMC.
Have to agree with WWW here (in my not very informed opinion). I don't think the companies give a wet slap about which school you went to but it sure does help to have contacts.