OATS Rumour
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OATS Rumour
The latest rumour from OATS is that they may be purchasing a Boeing 737 for ILS approaches into Brize Norton. This will only be used by Sponsored students apparently and they are considering purchasing an Auster for the self sponsored students. Could anyone confirm this and if so is the runway long enough for a 737?? Also, why the inequality between different students??
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Very funny! 
As for Brizes runway if you cant get it sown there you cant get it down anywhere!! Tristars, C51's, Herc's, VC10's all regulars - wide too!
To send people up for ILS's in a jet youd be mad not to have both seats filled with type rated pilots (dynamic phases of flight etc)and as not everyone flies 73's after OATS the cost would be silly.
Would be fun though!
As Jet A says Kidlington's runway wouldnt take the 73, not that that would matter (hypothetically) as Brize would be a fine base and OATS already has acomodation there.
Interesting about new 737 sims though - the generic htey ave is a bit poor really. Lovely guys in the sim section there but all medical free so would need to be replaced/augmented should a real aircraft arrive.
Oh and inequality between students - a fundmaental OATS principle inst it?
As for Brizes runway if you cant get it sown there you cant get it down anywhere!! Tristars, C51's, Herc's, VC10's all regulars - wide too!
To send people up for ILS's in a jet youd be mad not to have both seats filled with type rated pilots (dynamic phases of flight etc)and as not everyone flies 73's after OATS the cost would be silly.
Would be fun though!As Jet A says Kidlington's runway wouldnt take the 73, not that that would matter (hypothetically) as Brize would be a fine base and OATS already has acomodation there.
Interesting about new 737 sims though - the generic htey ave is a bit poor really. Lovely guys in the sim section there but all medical free so would need to be replaced/augmented should a real aircraft arrive.
Oh and inequality between students - a fundmaental OATS principle inst it?
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I've been looking at OATS integrated course for 2yrs now and have been told about this new 734 sim numerous times. Anyone know about it???
I was told it was going to be installed January 2001
Is this just marketing bumpf or is it for real?
Nice rumour about the 737!-lol
I was told it was going to be installed January 2001
Is this just marketing bumpf or is it for real?
Nice rumour about the 737!-lol
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yeah, that's priceless and did you hear the one about...
Where would OATS suddenly get the idea that spending even a little money was a good thing, let alone let students piss tons of fuel out of a 737???
27 hours on the Seneca at £300 per hour was a bit on the pricy side, imagine a few ILS approaches on the 737 - even scarier money!!
Where would OATS suddenly get the idea that spending even a little money was a good thing, let alone let students piss tons of fuel out of a 737???
27 hours on the Seneca at £300 per hour was a bit on the pricy side, imagine a few ILS approaches on the 737 - even scarier money!!
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Sorry guys - I have to disagree with those who reckon you could not get a 737 into Oxford:
R/W 20 & 02 LDA = 1200 m
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a 737 - 3/4/500 at a landing weight of 37 tonnes (equal to an empty aircraft + sufficent fuel for a short sector)
using Flap 40 / Vref 111 kt / max autobrake will have a landing distance of 840 m. even with just idle reverse deployed to keep the neighbours happy.
If you were very brave, you could even opt for just autobrake 3 which would increase the Landing Distance required to 1130 m. but still within limits for Oxford.
source - 737 Flying Manual.
R/W 20 & 02 LDA = 1200 m
e.g.
a 737 - 3/4/500 at a landing weight of 37 tonnes (equal to an empty aircraft + sufficent fuel for a short sector)
using Flap 40 / Vref 111 kt / max autobrake will have a landing distance of 840 m. even with just idle reverse deployed to keep the neighbours happy.
If you were very brave, you could even opt for just autobrake 3 which would increase the Landing Distance required to 1130 m. but still within limits for Oxford.
source - 737 Flying Manual.
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Every week we have 747s, DC10, MD11 and L1011 landing at Cambridge with a landing distance on 1748 m on runway 23. The 747 seem to only use half that distnce before the power is back on to taxi off at D.
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Further to the earlier rumour, I have now heard that to accomodate the 737, OATS are considering working in closer collaberation with RAF Brize Norton. There is even talk of them joining the runways at OATS and Brize together to create one big runway, although several local residents are opposed to this as it would cut through their high street. Anyone else heard anything??
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Hey Pos Climb,
Maybe you'll not be the only one there.
A320-200 QRH
Landing distance WITHOUT Autobrake Configuration Full. Weight = 50 tonnes.
Distance in the dry 680 metres.
Autolanding distance WITH Medium Autobrake Configuration Full. Weight = 40 tonnes.
Distance in the dry 1193 metres. (Close)
In general it is known that the top figures are what the Airbus test pilots have achieved, probably landed without flaring with their feet flat on the floor. The WITH autobrake figures are what you would expect a normal line pilot to be able to achieve without really trying. These were calculated using Autoland I believe.
And no...I definitely would not want to try it... but were the brown stuff to have really hit the whirly wind maker and there was no other place to land and we REALLY needed to land in an emergency, a runway of Kidlington's length could be a consideration. But I have to stress it would be a very very desperate measure, but it would be legal.
Maybe you'll not be the only one there.
A320-200 QRH
Landing distance WITHOUT Autobrake Configuration Full. Weight = 50 tonnes.
Distance in the dry 680 metres.
Autolanding distance WITH Medium Autobrake Configuration Full. Weight = 40 tonnes.
Distance in the dry 1193 metres. (Close)
In general it is known that the top figures are what the Airbus test pilots have achieved, probably landed without flaring with their feet flat on the floor. The WITH autobrake figures are what you would expect a normal line pilot to be able to achieve without really trying. These were calculated using Autoland I believe.
And no...I definitely would not want to try it... but were the brown stuff to have really hit the whirly wind maker and there was no other place to land and we REALLY needed to land in an emergency, a runway of Kidlington's length could be a consideration. But I have to stress it would be a very very desperate measure, but it would be legal.