Oxford Air Training?
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Oxford Air Training?
Fellow PPRUNERS,
I need some advice, and I can sense that some of you may object to the same old questions coming up, but if you can't ask here then where can you?
Having failed my BA CEP I am looking into the best way forward in terms of training. I have pretty much decided on Oxford, but there are lots of negative issues raised here. Does anyone, perhaps with hindsight, have any opinions as to the standard of training at Oxford?
Cheers!
Flaps
I need some advice, and I can sense that some of you may object to the same old questions coming up, but if you can't ask here then where can you?
Having failed my BA CEP I am looking into the best way forward in terms of training. I have pretty much decided on Oxford, but there are lots of negative issues raised here. Does anyone, perhaps with hindsight, have any opinions as to the standard of training at Oxford?
Cheers!
Flaps
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every school has its good points and bad ones and Oxford is no exception. I finished there as a self sponsored student about eight months ago. I found it an excellent school especially on the flying instruction. Ground school was OK, but because Oxford had more student than it could handle, self sponsored students where give low priority over B.A. students resulting in delays over availability of aircraft. However, though this was frustrating, I still believe that Oxford on your CV is a plus with Airlines and I believe that this helped me get my first job with an airline. However, when you finish your course , do not stop keep current and I would recommend doing a flying instrauctors course and showing apotential employers your determination and eagerness to continually learn. And yes I know this is expensive, but it could make all the difference
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I found the instruction for the tech exams better than the nav exams.
Techs I got a partial but navs not even that.
Several BA cadets and self sponsored students were on the Pete Lines brush up nav weekend I did.
I also heard the rumour of BA taking precident over others with the flt training.
Techs I got a partial but navs not even that.
Several BA cadets and self sponsored students were on the Pete Lines brush up nav weekend I did.
I also heard the rumour of BA taking precident over others with the flt training.
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I am there just now and would agree with Chirpy; I think OATS on the CV does add a little something. And when it comes time to compete for jobs at the end of the coure I think that the airlines will ask "where did you train" and "show me your log book". That reinforces his point about keeping current, adding experience etc.
Good luck
Good luck
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Why not check out other schools that perhaps do not have a huge number of students, offer JAA ATPL courses and train BA cadets as well.
Where you will be person! not a number.... check out www.aviation.wmich.edu I think you'll be surprised !!!!!!
Where you will be person! not a number.... check out www.aviation.wmich.edu I think you'll be surprised !!!!!!
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I agree with Chirpy Pilot, as ex-OATS myself, I got constantly bumped to allow sponsored cadets to train, it took 5-6 months to do my twins training and I was available every day to fly.
There was also a marked difference between the quality of Tech and Nav instruction (the Tech instruction being considerably better)
OATS is a good school and it does look good on your CV in some respects..but don't go there just cause OATS has the advantage of being able to use "Oxford" in its name.
Its a matter of personal preference in the end, go to one of the reputable schools that trains sponsored cadets as well.. cause if the airlines accept the level of training there I figure it must help slight;y in the future.
And when you finish try to get on the ATP scheme in Southampton, they're you're best bet at a job but make sure you're completely ready before you go there.
Wherever you go you'll get messed around a bit.. this is "probably" the most peverse industry in the world when it comes to how you get employed...
email me if you want any more details on going from zero to ATPL (or at least my own story..:-) )
There was also a marked difference between the quality of Tech and Nav instruction (the Tech instruction being considerably better)
OATS is a good school and it does look good on your CV in some respects..but don't go there just cause OATS has the advantage of being able to use "Oxford" in its name.
Its a matter of personal preference in the end, go to one of the reputable schools that trains sponsored cadets as well.. cause if the airlines accept the level of training there I figure it must help slight;y in the future.
And when you finish try to get on the ATP scheme in Southampton, they're you're best bet at a job but make sure you're completely ready before you go there.
Wherever you go you'll get messed around a bit.. this is "probably" the most peverse industry in the world when it comes to how you get employed...
email me if you want any more details on going from zero to ATPL (or at least my own story..:-) )
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I notice that the general view is that OATS is a good school and it does look good on your CV.
However, at a recent OATS seminar they quoted that 75% of their full-time self-sponsored students had found an airline job within 3 months of graduating.
Would ex-OATS students agree with this or is the power of Oxford on the CV being slightly exaggerated?
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However, at a recent OATS seminar they quoted that 75% of their full-time self-sponsored students had found an airline job within 3 months of graduating.
Would ex-OATS students agree with this or is the power of Oxford on the CV being slightly exaggerated?
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Hi,
75% getting jobs in 3months??? Sounds like typical OATS hardsell to me.
They've been no help to me since I graduated and I know lots of people that havent got jobs, plenty seem to wait a year or more before getting an interview.
All the flying schools will tell you that you'll easily get a job afterwards but the truth is somewhat different, at least in my experience.
75% getting jobs in 3months??? Sounds like typical OATS hardsell to me.
They've been no help to me since I graduated and I know lots of people that havent got jobs, plenty seem to wait a year or more before getting an interview.
All the flying schools will tell you that you'll easily get a job afterwards but the truth is somewhat different, at least in my experience.
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OATS would be a really good organisation if it was run who had a member of staff who actually knew anything about the industry -- When I was there it often felt that the place was run by clerks and got their gen from PPRUNE ---- The instructors though on the whole are a good bunch and offer good advice and high quality instruction !!!!! But they dont give the job advice etc -- Thats left to the clerks !!!
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Generally the stuff given matches with what I found at OATS. The 75% figure has been pretty much flogged to death in wannabees over recent months and is not accurate!!! No question!
However, there are definitely some airlines that will take you for interview on the nod from Oxford (some may even ask for your reports post finishing) which definitely helps if you don't have any contacts!
The vast majority of the people you deal with directly in your training are very helpful and, I believe, good at what they do, unfortunately, it's the faceless "wonder how they got the jobbers" that ruin the hard work done by the others.
As for good times, well, you are right, it is sodding hard work, but there are also ample opportunities to have a good time outside of the school - particularly in the states! Happy days drinking beer in the warm az sunshine (post flying - obviously)!
However, there are definitely some airlines that will take you for interview on the nod from Oxford (some may even ask for your reports post finishing) which definitely helps if you don't have any contacts!
The vast majority of the people you deal with directly in your training are very helpful and, I believe, good at what they do, unfortunately, it's the faceless "wonder how they got the jobbers" that ruin the hard work done by the others.
As for good times, well, you are right, it is sodding hard work, but there are also ample opportunities to have a good time outside of the school - particularly in the states! Happy days drinking beer in the warm az sunshine (post flying - obviously)!
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Hmmm,
"However, at a recent OATS seminar they quoted that 75% of their full-time self-sponsored students had found an airline job within 3 months of graduating."
NO WAY. Utter tosh. I would be amazed if they even collated the figures to back this up.
Thats not to say that any other flying school has better figures mind. This consideration is totally erroneous when it comes to choosing a school.
If you get "the nod" from any long standing FTO then the airlines may well look at you. That ainīt unique to OATS.
That said they have just dropped their prices and a 734 sim would be very useful experience from your MCC.
Cheers
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"However, at a recent OATS seminar they quoted that 75% of their full-time self-sponsored students had found an airline job within 3 months of graduating."
NO WAY. Utter tosh. I would be amazed if they even collated the figures to back this up.
Thats not to say that any other flying school has better figures mind. This consideration is totally erroneous when it comes to choosing a school.
If you get "the nod" from any long standing FTO then the airlines may well look at you. That ainīt unique to OATS.
That said they have just dropped their prices and a 734 sim would be very useful experience from your MCC.
Cheers
WWW
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Give BAE Flight Training at Jerez a call. Equal numbers of self and airline sponsored trainees and cheaper than Oxford (BAE price INCLUDES food and acommodation).
The package includes MCC on an EFIS jet sim (Hawker 800) and just ask OATS where BA and Aer lingus are getting their MCC done? OATS it ain't!
The package includes MCC on an EFIS jet sim (Hawker 800) and just ask OATS where BA and Aer lingus are getting their MCC done? OATS it ain't!
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I left oxford about 2 years ago now as a self sponsored student. It took me 6 months to land my first job with an arline and that is good going. This rubbish about 75% in 3 months. I dont think so? Unless things have changed drastically since i was there. Also dont expect to get much help from them when u leave. (Once you`re out the door with an IR in your sticky mitts, you`re no longer signing any checks!)
As for BA Cadets getting priority; that certainly goes on, even though they obviously don`t admit it. Think about it this way. You are a one time customer, BA come back again and again. Which customer would u look after the best?
Having OATS on your C.V. though is a definate bonus. I am pretty certain that it makes a big difference in the recruitment department of the airline that I fly for.
As for the training at OATS. In general it is absolutely first class and worth the extra money.
On a final note and to finish my rambling. If I had to choose again, I would go back to OATS.
I left oxford about 2 years ago now as a self sponsored student. It took me 6 months to land my first job with an arline and that is good going. This rubbish about 75% in 3 months. I dont think so? Unless things have changed drastically since i was there. Also dont expect to get much help from them when u leave. (Once you`re out the door with an IR in your sticky mitts, you`re no longer signing any checks!)
As for BA Cadets getting priority; that certainly goes on, even though they obviously don`t admit it. Think about it this way. You are a one time customer, BA come back again and again. Which customer would u look after the best?
Having OATS on your C.V. though is a definate bonus. I am pretty certain that it makes a big difference in the recruitment department of the airline that I fly for.
As for the training at OATS. In general it is absolutely first class and worth the extra money.
On a final note and to finish my rambling. If I had to choose again, I would go back to OATS.