IR Renewal (advice needed)
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IR Renewal (advice needed)
I completed my IR nearly a year ago and the time has come to renew.
I have had no luck with my job hunting over the last 12 months and with the current situation in Iraq I dont expect the job market to improve much over the next 12 months.
In an attempt to save money I am thinking of letting my IR and ME class rating lapse and renewing them next year when I hope the job market will have improved.
My question is:
Can I do this without having to resit the initial IR Skill Test with a CAA examiner (my worst nightmare)?????
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Will this affect my job prospects in the future?????
Any advice would be appreciated especially from others who have had to make this decision.
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I have had no luck with my job hunting over the last 12 months and with the current situation in Iraq I dont expect the job market to improve much over the next 12 months.
In an attempt to save money I am thinking of letting my IR and ME class rating lapse and renewing them next year when I hope the job market will have improved.
My question is:
Can I do this without having to resit the initial IR Skill Test with a CAA examiner (my worst nightmare)?????
and
Will this affect my job prospects in the future?????
Any advice would be appreciated especially from others who have had to make this decision.
Cheers
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WW - relax. I'd have to look up the small print of the MEP rating - but for the I/R I believe it is seven years from expiry before you are threatened with CAAFU again.
Cheer up.
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You can let both MEP and IR lapse by up to five years without any problem whatsoever. Renewal can be with any duly authorised examiner without the CAA getting involved. Go over the 5 year deadline and things get more complicated, but my guess is you are not planning to let it get that far.
One thing to remember is that when somebody is hiring the applicant with a current IR might well be in a better position than the applicant without one.
One thing to remember is that when somebody is hiring the applicant with a current IR might well be in a better position than the applicant without one.
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I did look up the small print - we are both right.
5 years is the "don't need to do anything extra" point for the MEP.
5 years also for the stand alone JAA Instrument Rating - but 7 years if you have been flying with instrument priviledges on an ICAO licence (like I do with my FAA I/R in the USA).
5 years is the "don't need to do anything extra" point for the MEP.
5 years also for the stand alone JAA Instrument Rating - but 7 years if you have been flying with instrument priviledges on an ICAO licence (like I do with my FAA I/R in the USA).
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I hope this helps
Your IR lapses arfter 12 months. If you test prior to it expiring this is called a Revalidation. If you let your licence expire and then test, this is called a Renewal
Up to 5 years after the RENEWAL date (i.e. 6 years from the initial date
) you complete a renewal flight test (not an initial) with an approved examiner (not necessarily a CAA examiner).
Between 5 - 7 years after the renewal date you are required to complete a renewal flight test still, but, this must be with a CAA examiner.
After 7 years from the renewal date your theoretical knowledge examinations lapse and you will have to complete them all again in order to hold an IR once more!!
Up to 5 years after the RENEWAL date (i.e. 6 years from the initial date
) you complete a renewal flight test (not an initial) with an approved examiner (not necessarily a CAA examiner).Between 5 - 7 years after the renewal date you are required to complete a renewal flight test still, but, this must be with a CAA examiner.
After 7 years from the renewal date your theoretical knowledge examinations lapse and you will have to complete them all again in order to hold an IR once more!!
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Just did the very same: renewed my IR after letting it lapse a good while.
JAR-FCL requires you to contact the Authority before training, so that you may agree on training needed. This is usually 5 hours.
As no airline will require you to fly a light twin in comand, forget renewing the multi class rating. They are interested in a current multi IR, which is all that is required to start a type rating course.
This means, that you don't even need to get up in the air for the renewal, but can do it in an FNPT2. There are a few places in England doing this.
Stargazer, JAR may want it to be the same, but your CAA does not adhere fully here
: your initial has to be done with a CAA examiner, whereas JAR (and all the other countries seem to stick to this,) says it can be done with any designated examiner.
JAR-FCL requires you to contact the Authority before training, so that you may agree on training needed. This is usually 5 hours.
As no airline will require you to fly a light twin in comand, forget renewing the multi class rating. They are interested in a current multi IR, which is all that is required to start a type rating course.
This means, that you don't even need to get up in the air for the renewal, but can do it in an FNPT2. There are a few places in England doing this.
Stargazer, JAR may want it to be the same, but your CAA does not adhere fully here
: your initial has to be done with a CAA examiner, whereas JAR (and all the other countries seem to stick to this,) says it can be done with any designated examiner.
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All right, just to be technically correct: you don't need a current multi IR to start a multi crew type rating since the type rating will include a multi pilot IR - the original single pilot IR being of irrelevance other than to prove a point!
However, no company is likely to hire you without a current IR since it serves to demonstrate recent ability.
You can renew your multi IR in a sim - but not the multi rating. I suppose you can also renew both in a twin aircraft at short notice, too, so you could save your money and wait for a positive emplyment lead.
Having said that, if you leave it too long then you risk spending more money getting up to scratch. If the positive lead amounts to nothing you will at least have your rating for another year. So it begs the question: why not just keep it current?
It's a tough one, hope some information here helps with the decision.
However, no company is likely to hire you without a current IR since it serves to demonstrate recent ability.
You can renew your multi IR in a sim - but not the multi rating. I suppose you can also renew both in a twin aircraft at short notice, too, so you could save your money and wait for a positive emplyment lead.
Having said that, if you leave it too long then you risk spending more money getting up to scratch. If the positive lead amounts to nothing you will at least have your rating for another year. So it begs the question: why not just keep it current?
It's a tough one, hope some information here helps with the decision.
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If you don't fly for a long time, even three or four months, your knowledge and ability will begin to lapse at an exponential rate. Getting back in the air will uncover some unpleasant realities. It doesn't matter who you are, you will be crap. You're likely to need a good few hours in the air with an instructor to regain competence and this will cost.
Surely it would be better to do a quick trip with an instructor every couple of months to keep your hand in, and that way if you DO get a shock sim-check with an airline you won't be totally useless. If you're going to fly as opposed to doing it FNPT2 then you'd probably come out the same or only slightly higher cost-wise.
Surely it would be better to do a quick trip with an instructor every couple of months to keep your hand in, and that way if you DO get a shock sim-check with an airline you won't be totally useless. If you're going to fly as opposed to doing it FNPT2 then you'd probably come out the same or only slightly higher cost-wise.
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and www.flysfc.com . Did it there myself and was quite impressed.
another one is www.simulationtrainingservices.co.uk . No personal experience, but heard some praise. They are more expensive though.
another one is www.simulationtrainingservices.co.uk . No personal experience, but heard some praise. They are more expensive though.
