OzMate needs your help Pommies!!!
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OzMate needs your help Pommies!!!
G'day,
A long shot, but I'm wondering if it would be worth my while applying to any Euro airlines? I have heard of some companies your way taking people with not even 200 hours, onto turbo prop and RJ types. I have a bear ME CIR and about 220TT, all done in Oz with a frozen Oz ATPL. I hold only an Australian passport and have never been to Europe and sice my family was banished out here 200 years ago, no family over there either.
I have also passed the Qantas Cadetship selection, but sadly missed out on a spot. I'm 20. Cheers.
A long shot, but I'm wondering if it would be worth my while applying to any Euro airlines? I have heard of some companies your way taking people with not even 200 hours, onto turbo prop and RJ types. I have a bear ME CIR and about 220TT, all done in Oz with a frozen Oz ATPL. I hold only an Australian passport and have never been to Europe and sice my family was banished out here 200 years ago, no family over there either.
I have also passed the Qantas Cadetship selection, but sadly missed out on a spot. I'm 20. Cheers.
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Hi there He/She Lobster.
Not good news I'm afraid. You will have to convert your licence to a JAA frozen ATPL:
You will need to pass all 14 JAA ATPL exams after studying at an approved school (either full time or distance learning). Expect to pay £4,000 for the course and exams.
You will then need to pass the CPL skills test. Because you have an overseas CPL you are allowed to do the training 'as required' for this. Expect around the £3,000 mark.
You will then need to do the full 50 hour JAA Instrument Rating Course and pass the skills test. You get no credit for your Aussie IR. Expect at least £9,000 for this
Then finally, to add insult to injury, you'll need an MCC certificate: few airlines are hiring without one. You're looking at upwards of £2,000 for this.
This all adds up to around £18,000 or AU$49,000, and of course doesn't include living costs.
Welcome to rip-off Europe
foggy.
Not good news I'm afraid. You will have to convert your licence to a JAA frozen ATPL:
You will need to pass all 14 JAA ATPL exams after studying at an approved school (either full time or distance learning). Expect to pay £4,000 for the course and exams.
You will then need to pass the CPL skills test. Because you have an overseas CPL you are allowed to do the training 'as required' for this. Expect around the £3,000 mark.
You will then need to do the full 50 hour JAA Instrument Rating Course and pass the skills test. You get no credit for your Aussie IR. Expect at least £9,000 for this
Then finally, to add insult to injury, you'll need an MCC certificate: few airlines are hiring without one. You're looking at upwards of £2,000 for this.
This all adds up to around £18,000 or AU$49,000, and of course doesn't include living costs.
Welcome to rip-off Europe
foggy.
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All the above is true pal.
In addition to that, it's all hypothetical if you haven't got residence or a permanent work permit of some sort. UK airlines are not able to sponsor work visa applications for pilots (even highly experienced jet captains, of which there IS a shortage at the moment), and BALPA has a large number of lawyers working hard to make sure it remains that way. Just about without exception, all the Ozmates, Kiwis etc that are working over here held UK passports or grandparent-ancestry visas before they arrived.
To be honest, the tales of airlines taking 200 hour people are much hyped up by the time they get down to your end of the world. Truth is that IF you complete all your training at one of a few select, very expensive flying schools, then you MIGHT have about one chance in five of getting onto a jet straight out of flying school. The rest of us have to hour build like everyone else, about 1000 to 1500 hours seems to be the magic number at present.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news ...
In addition to that, it's all hypothetical if you haven't got residence or a permanent work permit of some sort. UK airlines are not able to sponsor work visa applications for pilots (even highly experienced jet captains, of which there IS a shortage at the moment), and BALPA has a large number of lawyers working hard to make sure it remains that way. Just about without exception, all the Ozmates, Kiwis etc that are working over here held UK passports or grandparent-ancestry visas before they arrived.
To be honest, the tales of airlines taking 200 hour people are much hyped up by the time they get down to your end of the world. Truth is that IF you complete all your training at one of a few select, very expensive flying schools, then you MIGHT have about one chance in five of getting onto a jet straight out of flying school. The rest of us have to hour build like everyone else, about 1000 to 1500 hours seems to be the magic number at present.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news ...
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Thanks a lot rotate, foggy and luke for the info. Yeah, I didn't really expect a written invitation, but it's certainly worse than I thought.
Tim, I can't give you any names cause I don't know any, but on our forum (Dunnunda) from time to time OzMates over your way are asking about the opprortunites back home, and usually post a bit of info for us re. the opportunites over there. A week or so ago one Oz CRJ captain in Euro somewhere was posting that his company had just hired guys with <200 hours for an FO slot on a 146. I thought maybe that was becoming the norm. Guess not!
Thanks again guys
Tim, I can't give you any names cause I don't know any, but on our forum (Dunnunda) from time to time OzMates over your way are asking about the opprortunites back home, and usually post a bit of info for us re. the opportunites over there. A week or so ago one Oz CRJ captain in Euro somewhere was posting that his company had just hired guys with <200 hours for an FO slot on a 146. I thought maybe that was becoming the norm. Guess not!
Thanks again guys
