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It's good to see the students standing by the FTO for once, but don't let it become blinkered loyalty and end up losing everything.
BTW, why did PAC move from Conington to Sibson to Nottingham?
I really hope that it works out ok for all involved.
GA
BTW, why did PAC move from Conington to Sibson to Nottingham?
I really hope that it works out ok for all involved.
GA
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They never really moved between those sites, basically they had links to flight schools at both Connington and Sibson prior to opening up their flying training (both being local to the ground school). They then opened their flight training base at Nottingham, but still gave the option to fly from Connington or Sibson.
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As a Pilot Assist student I wanted to add my support and I hope every thing is resolved.
I have heard the rumour regarding CABAIR. Is anyone able to confirm this, and if so would that mean our money was safe?
I have heard the rumour regarding CABAIR. Is anyone able to confirm this, and if so would that mean our money was safe?
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I have been following the PA events with great interest recently. It seems that most students seem happy and showing huge levels of solidarity. Its the levels of 'fight' i dont quite get?? If i was a customer to a 'new' establishment (or any other to that effect) i would not want to take on the extra concern and effort to keep them afloat and worry that one day i find the windows boarded up. Sure it would be a shame to see people lose money but its a crying shame to see people throw it away! There are quite a few PA students out there-you guys need to hold a meeting just like they did when they 'sold you' PA and get some questions answered?! What about the hour building, the Flight Sim, the replacement ATPL books, CPL Training, IR training? If theres gonna be a fight, just make sure you know whos gang your in. For heavens sake PA students, if your gonna be the pioneers of this attractive scheme.....get together and talk amongst yourselves.
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Trucky04,
I could'nt have put it better myself. The studying is hard enuogh itself without worrying about someone elses business problems.
Face facts.
Sh!t rolls downhill. you'll all kop for for some, some more than others.
Your energy would be better aimed at the CAA who approve these schools.
PAC have only been going 5 minutes, someone got their sums wrong, and we are the ones left out of pocket.
D.J.
N.B. I am not a PAC student although I did do a Met course with them (John Standon) and passed. I am with another school that I won't mention.
I could'nt have put it better myself. The studying is hard enuogh itself without worrying about someone elses business problems.
Face facts.
Sh!t rolls downhill. you'll all kop for for some, some more than others.
Your energy would be better aimed at the CAA who approve these schools.
PAC have only been going 5 minutes, someone got their sums wrong, and we are the ones left out of pocket.
D.J.
N.B. I am not a PAC student although I did do a Met course with them (John Standon) and passed. I am with another school that I won't mention.
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There are plans for a meeting which would include students and people from PAC. I don't have a cdl tied up within the college, and don't really stand to lose any money. What I could lose is a training provider who helped me out greatly when I needed help.They stood by me, so I intend to return the favour if I can.
You are right that we do need more information about what is going on, however I don't think indicating your support for the FTO is such a bad thing.They need to know that at least until something is done, they have some student backing.
You are right that we do need more information about what is going on, however I don't think indicating your support for the FTO is such a bad thing.They need to know that at least until something is done, they have some student backing.
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Why support Pilot assist?
1. It's one of the few schools without the "sausage factory" approach.
2. All the students are apptitude tested and interviewed before admission to the school, this filters out the sort of students that give up at the first sign of adversity.
3. I know of no other school with as good a student community.
4. Any body wo has ever been to a ground school at PAC never wants to go anywhere else.
5. It would be a shame to see yet another flying school go under.
6. It could cost a few unlucky wannabe's alot of money.
7. It does such a good job of supporting it's students that it's students won't hesitate to return the favour.
The decision will probably be made today as to weather PAC will remain. So all positive thinking students with a future in aviation keep your fingers crossed.
1. It's one of the few schools without the "sausage factory" approach.
2. All the students are apptitude tested and interviewed before admission to the school, this filters out the sort of students that give up at the first sign of adversity.
3. I know of no other school with as good a student community.
4. Any body wo has ever been to a ground school at PAC never wants to go anywhere else.
5. It would be a shame to see yet another flying school go under.
6. It could cost a few unlucky wannabe's alot of money.
7. It does such a good job of supporting it's students that it's students won't hesitate to return the favour.
The decision will probably be made today as to weather PAC will remain. So all positive thinking students with a future in aviation keep your fingers crossed.
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AWYRENNWR,
I just feel compeled to reply.
you wrote, listed below ( I write in brackets)
1) Its one of the few schools without a 'Sausage machine' approach
(what defines a 'sauage'? )
2) All students are appitude tested and interviewed before addmission.
(When I choose my school I INTERVIEWED THEM )
3)I know of no other school with a good student community.
( I have made lots of good friends from my school, and, the school i'm with has its own 'internet forum,)
4) anyone who has been to PAC never wants to go anywhere else.
(I remember when I had my first women, I never wanted to go anywhere else, i soon learned.
5)
( totally agree).
6)
(totally agree).
7) Does such a good job, it won't hesitate to return the favour.
(Favour, its a business for goodness sake, there are no favours in business.
I don't want to sound negative, but, please be real.
If my house was on fire, I would do my best to put it out. But I would'nt have stayed on the Titanic.
All the best to you guys and I really do hope you can sort something out. please, please prove me wrong.
D.J.
I just feel compeled to reply.
you wrote, listed below ( I write in brackets)
1) Its one of the few schools without a 'Sausage machine' approach
(what defines a 'sauage'? )
2) All students are appitude tested and interviewed before addmission.
(When I choose my school I INTERVIEWED THEM )
3)I know of no other school with a good student community.
( I have made lots of good friends from my school, and, the school i'm with has its own 'internet forum,)
4) anyone who has been to PAC never wants to go anywhere else.
(I remember when I had my first women, I never wanted to go anywhere else, i soon learned.
5)
( totally agree).
6)
(totally agree).
7) Does such a good job, it won't hesitate to return the favour.
(Favour, its a business for goodness sake, there are no favours in business.
I don't want to sound negative, but, please be real.
If my house was on fire, I would do my best to put it out. But I would'nt have stayed on the Titanic.
All the best to you guys and I really do hope you can sort something out. please, please prove me wrong.
D.J.
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Hi, cynics and students,
Dean and Trucky have given their knowledge of how rotten the world can be.
It can, rarely admittedly, be a better place. PAC has directed students where they want/can/need to go without regard to the fact that by doing so they lose the student and his money.
With ethics like that I'd bet on the students, PAC, and Rick Player
who I do not know and have never spoken to.
He'll not let down his students.
Dean and Trucky have given their knowledge of how rotten the world can be.
It can, rarely admittedly, be a better place. PAC has directed students where they want/can/need to go without regard to the fact that by doing so they lose the student and his money.
With ethics like that I'd bet on the students, PAC, and Rick Player
who I do not know and have never spoken to.
He'll not let down his students.
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: Lieth or is that lieth, can't tell with some fonts! Quote "It can, rarely admittedly, be a better place..........etc" Perhaps one of the worst non letters I've ever read (even " boldly going" has the distinction of being what was was deemed as one of the best known split infinitives) What exactly was your point, it got lost in the translation.
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I think lieth is trying to point out that a college which turns away students unable to get through the course or get an airline job before taking their money off them must have good principles. As such they will have the commitment to overcome minor hitches like the present situation and he would put money on it!
Hope that helps Howyee!
Hope that helps Howyee!
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Howyee,
Thanks for saying you cannot read. Has some-one been telling you of comments made on pprune about a certain PM?
So you are vision handicapped. Would that excuse your rubbish English while trying to teach it?
Mystery shopper, thanks.
......And, as it is not yet clear:
The name is Leith!!!!
Thanks for saying you cannot read. Has some-one been telling you of comments made on pprune about a certain PM?
So you are vision handicapped. Would that excuse your rubbish English while trying to teach it?
Mystery shopper, thanks.
......And, as it is not yet clear:
The name is Leith!!!!
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Lets stick to the point and not get into the proper use of English. 'Solidarity brothers and all that! The list of answers to the previous 7 points raised were correct. Sausage factories? Example please?? You just cant teach some new pilot 'uniqueness' and individuality on a 1 to 1 scale like learning 'the force' from Yoda. We are all taught and trained to pass the same tests where ever we go and i feel PA are much the same. It is you and your personality alone who makes that pilot after you've got that special piece of paper; so where you got the (usually standardised) training doesn't matter a great deal. Does everyone who sees a school with a high turnover think 'sausage factory!! or should they think that its popular and perhaps doing things right?! Im sat on the fence on this whole thing. Bottom line?? Great idea - badly made.
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Trucky 04 asks for an example of a "sausage factory". Any reply is potentially libelous.
"Uniqueness" and "individuality" were stressed by him but this is unlikely to be every-one's idea of what's wanted by employers. What is wanted can often be taught to reasonable people of any age who then get the success they'd never otherwise get. Even aspiring politicians learn how to seem reasonable.
A Harvard, Yale, or Oxcam degree often holds up better than many others while "A" levels at some schools may well have been combined with enough character building to be of extra value. It can show and that would apply to flight schools.
I do buy the "sitting on the fence" part of the post.
PS. Elsewhere on pprune can be found what some employers want. Good English is near the top of their demands.
"Uniqueness" and "individuality" were stressed by him but this is unlikely to be every-one's idea of what's wanted by employers. What is wanted can often be taught to reasonable people of any age who then get the success they'd never otherwise get. Even aspiring politicians learn how to seem reasonable.
A Harvard, Yale, or Oxcam degree often holds up better than many others while "A" levels at some schools may well have been combined with enough character building to be of extra value. It can show and that would apply to flight schools.
I do buy the "sitting on the fence" part of the post.
PS. Elsewhere on pprune can be found what some employers want. Good English is near the top of their demands.
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I think the PAC subject is nearing an end. We're losing the point now & the subjects of English & 'Employers seems to be taking over. One or two people seem to be irritated about some of 'the cynics' remarks & sidetracking the issue of PAC. "What do Employers want??" I dont no. I guess a reputable flying school on your CV might make some difference. Is it this what PAC want to acheive? Have they? Do the airlines know them? What DO they know about PAC? What have PAC acheived the last three years? Any jobs for students yet? Any CPL/IR'ers. These questions are really questions. Im not being retorical. Need answers. I hope they're all gonna be really good answers, results & storys of success because if PAC's whole package depends on these things going well, just what are they offering to you if things havnet been good? Simple, a quick way to spend £750 and find out what you already knew-"i'm gonna be a pilot".