Airliners going around
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Airliners going around
Was at Boston yesterday looking out of the window at the terminal waiting for my flight. 2 parallel runways with planes landing on them both with another runway for take offs which intersected the two "landing" runways - all in all quite an air show in the rush hour!
anyway to the point saw an American 757 "go around" from about 30ft above the runway. As a PPL student it warmed the cockles of my heart to see. I guess it's a frequent enough thing to happen, but it still made me glow all over !! Although to be fair a missed approach in a 757 still probably costs less than a landing fee at Shoreham!!
anyway - apart from giving me a bit of confidence for the future - how often does this happen at a busy airport? as pilots how often do you "go around"? just curious?
anyway to the point saw an American 757 "go around" from about 30ft above the runway. As a PPL student it warmed the cockles of my heart to see. I guess it's a frequent enough thing to happen, but it still made me glow all over !! Although to be fair a missed approach in a 757 still probably costs less than a landing fee at Shoreham!!
anyway - apart from giving me a bit of confidence for the future - how often does this happen at a busy airport? as pilots how often do you "go around"? just curious?
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Hey Kirstey,
I to am a student pilot with great knowledge of the aviation kind. Tis' true that it is common for airliners to go around there are certain times in the day midday evening where the traffic is so bad that go-arounds are a common situation. You may see them if you live within 30 miles of a arge airport going round into the missed approach pattern.
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I to am a student pilot with great knowledge of the aviation kind. Tis' true that it is common for airliners to go around there are certain times in the day midday evening where the traffic is so bad that go-arounds are a common situation. You may see them if you live within 30 miles of a arge airport going round into the missed approach pattern.
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I started line flying airliners in Spring this year and did my first go around as pilot flying last week and one other as pilot non-flying about a month ago if thats any guide.
They are largely a non-event unless something unexpected happens and then it all start to happen a little too quickly for comfort..
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They are largely a non-event unless something unexpected happens and then it all start to happen a little too quickly for comfort..
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Aaaaah Boston...I'd keep on going around and around just to spend more time over there...
On line within Europe, I've had three in the last 8 months. Including one in my first week of line training!
On line within Europe, I've had three in the last 8 months. Including one in my first week of line training!
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Wow, only 4 times in 4 years. That's good stats. Come over here to the tropics, and it'll be a little different. I've had 3 in the last 8 months and a few more were very close! ie runway in sight just above minima. 99% of the time it's due to the visibility in torrential rain. Of course if from tower observations it is below our approach minima, we won't even bother to attempt an approach. Sometimes it can change from bad to worse all of a sudden when on finals. One other time it was because aircraft was still on the runway, taking it's own sweet time to vacate after missing the first intersection.
It happens, but as WWW says, largely a non-event flown to procedures. Unless it's during a Simulator LOFT or Base Check...then that's when it's a big song an dance with plenty to do to keep you occupied!
It happens, but as WWW says, largely a non-event flown to procedures. Unless it's during a Simulator LOFT or Base Check...then that's when it's a big song an dance with plenty to do to keep you occupied!
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About once a year before, but in the last 3 months 4 times.
Where you fly and how good ATC is makes a big difference. Obviously West-Africa lacks something in the ATC department. Most of their airports have single RWY only and no taxiways. There are plenty of Russians flying around with heavy crew ( Capt, F/O, F/E and Nav ) and with lots of misunderstandings about clearances.
Where you fly and how good ATC is makes a big difference. Obviously West-Africa lacks something in the ATC department. Most of their airports have single RWY only and no taxiways. There are plenty of Russians flying around with heavy crew ( Capt, F/O, F/E and Nav ) and with lots of misunderstandings about clearances.
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Kirstey,
Been flying big jets for four years, two on the 737, two on the Bus. Used to do about one g/a per month on the 737 but haven't done one at all on the A320 (except in the sim). It's just one of those things I guess. As was already mentioned, it's fairly straightforward unless something unexpected happens in the middle of it!!
If in doubt, go-around. It's cheaper than bending the thing and losing your job (or worse)!
Happy flying.
Been flying big jets for four years, two on the 737, two on the Bus. Used to do about one g/a per month on the 737 but haven't done one at all on the A320 (except in the sim). It's just one of those things I guess. As was already mentioned, it's fairly straightforward unless something unexpected happens in the middle of it!!
If in doubt, go-around. It's cheaper than bending the thing and losing your job (or worse)!
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I've been flying commercially for 5 years (2yrs ATR/RJ and 3 75/76) all out of LGW and I've never done a go-around. I've got to say that LGW are the sharpest controllers I've ever seen it's amazing to watch them pack us in. (Now I said this I bet I'll be the go-around king!!)
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Just my experience as a bug smasher pilot but I believe that in the UK an ATC 'clear to land' instruction is given only when the runway is actually clear for landing. In the USA an ATC 'clear to land' or 'clear to land number 2 (or 3 etc)' is given when there are other aircraft on the runway or even still airborne. If the aircraft in front of you is slow to vacate the runway then ATC will issue a 'go around' instruction to ensure separation. Quite routine really!
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Thanks - that's really interesting stuff. The go around I saw conditions were certainly CAVOK so no probs with vis. I couldn't see the traffic further down the runway, but with 12 aircraft on 2 base legs and 2 finals parallel to each other, I guess it was because of an occupied runway.
I remember my 1st solo go around in a little plane - it was quite a cut and dry one go around or land next to the runway instead of on it. But once that psycological barrier is broken and you make that decision for the first time - you dont even think about it in the future.
Routine as it is in any aircraft - must be one hell of a decision to make your first time in an airliner!
I remember my 1st solo go around in a little plane - it was quite a cut and dry one go around or land next to the runway instead of on it. But once that psycological barrier is broken and you make that decision for the first time - you dont even think about it in the future.
Routine as it is in any aircraft - must be one hell of a decision to make your first time in an airliner!
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I can tell you that a go-around in a classic 747 is anything but a non-event - especially for the non-flying pilot! No TOGA switch (at least, not used), hands all over the flight deck with flight directors, flaps, spoilers and gear, while trying to hold the plate under a light, read, understand and relay the info to the flying pilot in time to avoid the subsequent level bust (you're now going up at a distinctly sprightly rate of climb!), not to mention the fairly firm treatment the aircraft needs to make 260-odd tonnes change direction from down to up in the first place! Downwind for the next approach needs to be long enough for the heart rate to come down to the point where you can contemplate the next approach. Of course, Sod's Law says that it's dark, there's a turbulent 35kt crosswind, the cloudbase or visibility is CAT11, it's raining and the wipers are bloody noisy!
For a modern-generation Boeing or Airbus it may be a non-event; spare a thought for those of us still flying steam-driven technology!
For a modern-generation Boeing or Airbus it may be a non-event; spare a thought for those of us still flying steam-driven technology!
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It most certainley is Kirstey.
I have been flying airliners for about 15 months now and did my first go around in the summer in the UK. The airfield was exceptionally busy and all the way down the approach I was convinced we weren't going to make it but the tower told us to 'expect late landing clearance'. Sure enough just before minimums the a/c ahead was slow to vacate and we were told to go-around. You practice go-arounds in the sim until they become a non-event but pressing TO/GA for the first time and doing the go-around for real was great fun. We were vectored around for another approach which we landed off but I can still remember that first go-around clear as day even now.
I have been flying airliners for about 15 months now and did my first go around in the summer in the UK. The airfield was exceptionally busy and all the way down the approach I was convinced we weren't going to make it but the tower told us to 'expect late landing clearance'. Sure enough just before minimums the a/c ahead was slow to vacate and we were told to go-around. You practice go-arounds in the sim until they become a non-event but pressing TO/GA for the first time and doing the go-around for real was great fun. We were vectored around for another approach which we landed off but I can still remember that first go-around clear as day even now.
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AAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
I hate post like this ..... Friday afternoon drags on like there's no tomorrow sat at my desk without reading all the fun you airline boys are having. PPL just ain't enough!!
Need some cash to do my CPL - better go down the bank and rob the place.
AF
I hate post like this ..... Friday afternoon drags on like there's no tomorrow sat at my desk without reading all the fun you airline boys are having. PPL just ain't enough!!
Need some cash to do my CPL - better go down the bank and rob the place.AF
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Hey Scroggs, you think you're hard done by flying a 747 classic?
Try going around in a C150aero, with NO electric trim, an up/down switch for flaps that isn't gated, trying to find flaps 10, high elevator forces you frantically need to trim off, now begging for + climb.....anytime now would be nice..........please........PHEW! Also, you also must remember such things as carb heat cold!
Not forgetting, PPL's actually have to FLY the plane - you've got a F/O to do it all for you!
Try going around in a C150aero, with NO electric trim, an up/down switch for flaps that isn't gated, trying to find flaps 10, high elevator forces you frantically need to trim off, now begging for + climb.....anytime now would be nice..........please........PHEW! Also, you also must remember such things as carb heat cold!
Not forgetting, PPL's actually have to FLY the plane - you've got a F/O to do it all for you!
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Meant to say:
The 737 in question was the faithful -200, the Scud, so no magenta lines to follow!! Important thing to remember there was to trim nose down for four seconds as the go-around power came on otherwise it could get very hairy indeed.
The 737 in question was the faithful -200, the Scud, so no magenta lines to follow!! Important thing to remember there was to trim nose down for four seconds as the go-around power came on otherwise it could get very hairy indeed.
Kirstey (and anyone else who is interested) - we've got a training captain who taught us (very wisely as it turns out) to rehearse the go around at the 1000' call in your head. The go around procedure should be included as part of the descent brief, but that could well be 20 mins hence - so by doing this "rehearsal" you're prepared for it, preventing a clatter of bits when ATC or yourselves decide to actually do it. Worked a treat a couple of months back!!!
As an aside, there are many gotchas in an all singing, all dancing new generation aircraft if you're not careful!
As an aside, there are many gotchas in an all singing, all dancing new generation aircraft if you're not careful!
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Kirstey,
For what it's worth, a best case go around in a 757 would put you in a visual circuit, 2-3 mile final (a small dig at you 5 mile c152 boys!)
This would use about 850 kgs of fuel. At 40 pence a litre this would cost around £300.
Just a little bit more than the Shoreham landing fee I think, mind you I haven't been there for a few months......
Further food for thought; we tend to turn up at a destination with around 3.5/4.0 tonnes of fuel.
For what it's worth, a best case go around in a 757 would put you in a visual circuit, 2-3 mile final (a small dig at you 5 mile c152 boys!)
This would use about 850 kgs of fuel. At 40 pence a litre this would cost around £300.
Just a little bit more than the Shoreham landing fee I think, mind you I haven't been there for a few months......
Further food for thought; we tend to turn up at a destination with around 3.5/4.0 tonnes of fuel.
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Crackerjack,
Obviously I wasn't being literal, just having a jape at Shoreham's expense (no pun intended!)
And although I tend to agree with your comment about C152s on 5mile final, sometimes we have to, in order to give the 737 driver infront of us the 6 months he requires to get off the runway! :o
Obviously I wasn't being literal, just having a jape at Shoreham's expense (no pun intended!)
And although I tend to agree with your comment about C152s on 5mile final, sometimes we have to, in order to give the 737 driver infront of us the 6 months he requires to get off the runway! :o
