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I'm having problems understanding what a JAR or JAA Licence means to a pilot once he or she owns it, for instance
I have heard pilots on pprune say they apply to all different airlines around Europe but all these airlines require their own country of licence, for Lufthansa, you need a German ATPL which is what...different from the JAA licence?
Can you apply to different airlines around Europe with a JAR?
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I'm having problems understanding what a JAR or JAA Licence means to a pilot once he or she owns it, for instance
I have heard pilots on pprune say they apply to all different airlines around Europe but all these airlines require their own country of licence, for Lufthansa, you need a German ATPL which is what...different from the JAA licence?
Can you apply to different airlines around Europe with a JAR?
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My understanding is that the sticking point for a Brit applying for jobs elsewhere within the JAA area is unlikely to be not getting his JAR licence accepted, but actually the requirement to speak the local language.
This is another area where the JAA sucks for aspiring UK/Irish pilots. Pilots from all countries speak English with a greater or lesser degree of fluency, enabling them to compete for jobs in the British Isles no matter where they originate from the the EU, whereas for us Anglophones to work elsewhere within JAR-land, we'd have to learn Dutch to work in Holland, German to work in Germany, French to work in France, etc. Hardly practical.
This is another area where the JAA sucks for aspiring UK/Irish pilots. Pilots from all countries speak English with a greater or lesser degree of fluency, enabling them to compete for jobs in the British Isles no matter where they originate from the the EU, whereas for us Anglophones to work elsewhere within JAR-land, we'd have to learn Dutch to work in Holland, German to work in Germany, French to work in France, etc. Hardly practical.
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Well you see I can speak German and that is why I'm interested in flying in German. But is the only other hurdle involved, getting citizienship? How do you concert the JAR into German ATPL?
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If you're an EU citizen, you have the right to work in Germany. Legally, they can't insist you to be a German citizen. Free movement of labour blar, blar, blar...
I believe Germany have been uncharacteristically slow on the uptake with JAR, so I surmise any requirement for a German ATPL will be dropped in due course.
I believe Germany have been uncharacteristically slow on the uptake with JAR, so I surmise any requirement for a German ATPL will be dropped in due course.
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If you are French and your JAA license is issued outside France, then that prevents you from applying to Air France because your JAA licence is 'not issued by the French DGAC (CAA)'
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I have looked into jobs in Spain and my JAR license entitles me to the same privilidges as I get in the UK. Individual employers have different requirements regarding your ability to speak Spanish. In general though it is a requirement.
The person earlier who said that it sucked that you have to learn the language of the country you are going to work in... I'm sorry but that is ridiculous! It doesn't matter whose going for what job in any country whether it be in the eu or any part of the world for that matter, you still would be expected to learn the local language. If anything Brits have the advantage. If a german person wants to go for a job in say Spain he is going to have to be able to speak Spanish and English. Twice the learning that a Brit has to do. And Britain is the only country in JAR-Land where pilots don't need another language to get a job. Imagine if to work for British Airways it was a condition of employment that you spoke fluent German...
I think I've made my point, I get tired of hearing the constant criticism of the JAA/Europe when in fact in the UK we're let off fairly lightly.
The person earlier who said that it sucked that you have to learn the language of the country you are going to work in... I'm sorry but that is ridiculous! It doesn't matter whose going for what job in any country whether it be in the eu or any part of the world for that matter, you still would be expected to learn the local language. If anything Brits have the advantage. If a german person wants to go for a job in say Spain he is going to have to be able to speak Spanish and English. Twice the learning that a Brit has to do. And Britain is the only country in JAR-Land where pilots don't need another language to get a job. Imagine if to work for British Airways it was a condition of employment that you spoke fluent German...
I think I've made my point, I get tired of hearing the constant criticism of the JAA/Europe when in fact in the UK we're let off fairly lightly.
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There are two issues here.
Language Firstly, Brits (and Irish AFAIK) tend not learn foreign languages. The main reason for that is that English is the international language of business and is the most widely-spoken language in the world (not the language with the most native speakers I know, but the most widely spoken). Not as much emphasis is put on languages in school in the first place, however the main factor is the pervasiveness of English-speaking media, which means that it is much easier for Europeans to gain a high standard English than vice versa. Along with many of my fellow Brits of a similar education I can read French and some German, but due to lack of practice I can't speak either language.
It is not surprising that continental airlines require their pilots to be fluent in their own language. This stems mainly from national pride - there are few other justifications for it - many Asian airlines operate quite safely with one member of the flight crew who does not speak the local language.
Acceptance of foreigners This is the main issue here. If I went and practiced my French/German/whatever until I was fluent, would I really get a job with Air France / Lufthansa / whoever? Especially since I have EU work rights and a European JAR Licence?
As has been said, there are many European countries where this would not be the case, and they tend to be the Latin/Mediterreanean rather than the Germanic/Nordic ones. So what benefit have we really got from JAR other than cost and hassle? It's basically a one-way street for continentals to grab UK jobs, even after the language factor is ignored. I don't begrudge any individuals for taking advantage of this (who wouldn't), but it doesn't make it any less annoying.
Without being too political here on wannabes it seems like yet another part of great EU agenda - where certain countries who are enthusiatic to sign away other countries' freedoms in the interests of the grand European project, and are the first to criticise other countries for not being European enough, hypocritically do as much as possible to avoid the same Euro-policies when their own national interests are at stake
Anyway, dragging the thread back onto the subject, some countries have not yet fully implemented the JARs, and many airlines have not yet made the adjustment to using JAR terminology in their job requirements, so that could be the origin of Lufthansa's 'German ATPL' requirement.
Language Firstly, Brits (and Irish AFAIK) tend not learn foreign languages. The main reason for that is that English is the international language of business and is the most widely-spoken language in the world (not the language with the most native speakers I know, but the most widely spoken). Not as much emphasis is put on languages in school in the first place, however the main factor is the pervasiveness of English-speaking media, which means that it is much easier for Europeans to gain a high standard English than vice versa. Along with many of my fellow Brits of a similar education I can read French and some German, but due to lack of practice I can't speak either language.
It is not surprising that continental airlines require their pilots to be fluent in their own language. This stems mainly from national pride - there are few other justifications for it - many Asian airlines operate quite safely with one member of the flight crew who does not speak the local language.
Acceptance of foreigners This is the main issue here. If I went and practiced my French/German/whatever until I was fluent, would I really get a job with Air France / Lufthansa / whoever? Especially since I have EU work rights and a European JAR Licence?
As has been said, there are many European countries where this would not be the case, and they tend to be the Latin/Mediterreanean rather than the Germanic/Nordic ones. So what benefit have we really got from JAR other than cost and hassle? It's basically a one-way street for continentals to grab UK jobs, even after the language factor is ignored. I don't begrudge any individuals for taking advantage of this (who wouldn't), but it doesn't make it any less annoying.
Without being too political here on wannabes it seems like yet another part of great EU agenda - where certain countries who are enthusiatic to sign away other countries' freedoms in the interests of the grand European project, and are the first to criticise other countries for not being European enough, hypocritically do as much as possible to avoid the same Euro-policies when their own national interests are at stake
Anyway, dragging the thread back onto the subject, some countries have not yet fully implemented the JARs, and many airlines have not yet made the adjustment to using JAR terminology in their job requirements, so that could be the origin of Lufthansa's 'German ATPL' requirement.
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flyingspanard: my point was that JAR has enabled pilots from ALL JAR countries to apply for positions in the UK, whereas for me as Brit, my JAR licence only qualifies me positions in the UK. All the JAR euro-licence has done for me as a Brit is increase competition for jobs at home, whilst doing nothing to enhance my employment prospects elsewhere, unless I take the time to learn a foreign language to a fluent level. As Foggy alludes to, this is a greater hurdle for a Brit than for others. Like a fair few Brits, I speak French and German to 'tourist' level (i.e. ordering dinner and asking directions to the rail station, etc), but I certainly couldn't manage a job interview in either of those two languages. I simply don't have enough exposure, and to be frank the incentive to progress any further.
I make no apology whatsoever if this sounds nationalistic, that's because it is. For the average wannabe pilot in the UK, unless he happens to be a linguist, JAR has made getting on the first rung of the employment ladder that much harder.
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I make no apology whatsoever if this sounds nationalistic, that's because it is. For the average wannabe pilot in the UK, unless he happens to be a linguist, JAR has made getting on the first rung of the employment ladder that much harder.
Buenas noches!
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Another thing that irks me is the number of Aussies, who retain the right to work in the UK due to their great aunt Mildred originating from Teesside, come over and fly for UK carriers. Of course, the British government, who always have the best interests of their own citizens at heart, don't insist on any form of reciprocal Work Permit arrangement with the Australian government.
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Slinger, easy does it my friend. Your comments in regards to the language issue is vaild but from what I have seen the airlines in the UK would still prefer to hire locals as they tend to stick around if you follow. Law says you have to look at everyone in the EU so being politically correct they do. Your other comments about fella's from down under etc. is a little on the wrong side of the line. If you have heritage in this country you have every right to work here. After all it was the English who colonised half the planet. I became a British citizen without ever stepping foot on the little island (Dad born here) and will be one of those you will have to compete with for jobs. Like it or lump it. If you wanna validate your complaint maybe look at some of the other immigration policies this country has and then my friend you may have an arguement.
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The first sign of xenophobic rants by the more bigoted amongst you will see this thread binned with no ceremony whatsoever. Wannabes is not the place for political or social crusades - try it in Jet Blast, wher you might find the old hands ready to rip your arguments apart unless they're very well thought out.
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Ginslinger's 'Aussie' question is a difficult one, because as Canadiankid says, there are lot of people in the 'old Commonwealth' countries, ie. Canada, SA, Oz and NZ, who are children of British Citizens and therefore can get full citizenship automatically. Think of them as Brits with funny accents
. These arrangements are reciprocated by many countries.
However Britain has a peculiar category known as an 'Ancestry Visa'. This is basically a no-questions-asked work permit followed by a fast track to British Citizenship for people who had at least one British grandparent. A large proportion of people in the 'old Commonwealth' fall into this category. This is usually not reciprocated by other countries (Australia does not do this for one).
The main reason why we get so many Aussies etc. flying over here, not to mention in many other professions, is because just so many of them fall into these two categories.
. These arrangements are reciprocated by many countries.However Britain has a peculiar category known as an 'Ancestry Visa'. This is basically a no-questions-asked work permit followed by a fast track to British Citizenship for people who had at least one British grandparent. A large proportion of people in the 'old Commonwealth' fall into this category. This is usually not reciprocated by other countries (Australia does not do this for one).
The main reason why we get so many Aussies etc. flying over here, not to mention in many other professions, is because just so many of them fall into these two categories.
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Oh dear, it appears that sometimes comments can acquire an unintended harsh edge to them, once they're set down in writing.
I guess if the 100's (1000's?) of UK pilots plying their trade in the Middle & Far East are taken into account, we Brits don't do so badly in the overall scheme of things.
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I guess if the 100's (1000's?) of UK pilots plying their trade in the Middle & Far East are taken into account, we Brits don't do so badly in the overall scheme of things.
Peace to all men.
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Yes the UK has a lot of accents on the airwaves. But this is counterbalanced by a suprising number of Brits found happily ensconsed in airlines around the globe. All in all it probably balances out.
The fact of JAA in this downturn compared to the last one of the early 90's is important.
I know a great many ex-Sabena pilots now flying G registered Boeings. Were this the early 90's they would have had to complete some ATPL exams, a GFT and an Instrument Rating before purchasing a CAA license allowing them to fly G registered Boeings.
The expense and rigmorole would have put many and most off.
Under JAA it was simply a matter of a phone call leading to an interview leading to a new uniform within a week or two.
Which is fine. Its what we signed up to and in the end labour market flexibility makes everyone a winner. I myself was able to move to Spain at the drop of a hat and earn my living flying their aircraft in their airspace without a by your leave.
Its hard to know what this new founded flexibility will mean for UK wannabeism.
On the one hand it makes the current situation harder. A lot of the right hand seats opening up in Ryanair and easyJet are being filled with non-UK nationals displaced by the woes of airlines on the continent.
However, it might be the case that as soon as conditions improve on the continent a lot of these people will elect to return home or indeed move to a sunnier JAA member state. If you are a German based in Belfast wouldn't you perhaps jump at a job in Barcelona etc.
So we could witness a new phenomena. Both Captains and First Officers leaving secure airline jobs in some numbers. If this happens during a time of expansion the airlines training department might really struggle to handle the double dilemma of new aircraft arriving and crews leaving.
Hey presto a recruiting boom.
But lets get Gulf War 2 over first. :-(
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The fact of JAA in this downturn compared to the last one of the early 90's is important.
I know a great many ex-Sabena pilots now flying G registered Boeings. Were this the early 90's they would have had to complete some ATPL exams, a GFT and an Instrument Rating before purchasing a CAA license allowing them to fly G registered Boeings.
The expense and rigmorole would have put many and most off.
Under JAA it was simply a matter of a phone call leading to an interview leading to a new uniform within a week or two.
Which is fine. Its what we signed up to and in the end labour market flexibility makes everyone a winner. I myself was able to move to Spain at the drop of a hat and earn my living flying their aircraft in their airspace without a by your leave.
Its hard to know what this new founded flexibility will mean for UK wannabeism.
On the one hand it makes the current situation harder. A lot of the right hand seats opening up in Ryanair and easyJet are being filled with non-UK nationals displaced by the woes of airlines on the continent.
However, it might be the case that as soon as conditions improve on the continent a lot of these people will elect to return home or indeed move to a sunnier JAA member state. If you are a German based in Belfast wouldn't you perhaps jump at a job in Barcelona etc.
So we could witness a new phenomena. Both Captains and First Officers leaving secure airline jobs in some numbers. If this happens during a time of expansion the airlines training department might really struggle to handle the double dilemma of new aircraft arriving and crews leaving.
Hey presto a recruiting boom.
But lets get Gulf War 2 over first. :-(
WWW
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Foggy,
Not sure on the Oz grandparent thingo, however, if you have either an Aussie mum or dad = Aussie Passport. I believe until recently, only a Brit dad would get you a Brit passport.
With emigrating to Oz, you can get any relo to sponsor you out there. Now, plenty of brits have relos out there.... You just have to be nice to them to get them to sign the bit of paper
It's easy to target Aussies, females, martians, any body for why it's hard to get a job. It's been hard to get a first job in any country for about 20-30 years. Unfortunately the flying schools won't tell you that.
Not sure on the Oz grandparent thingo, however, if you have either an Aussie mum or dad = Aussie Passport. I believe until recently, only a Brit dad would get you a Brit passport.
With emigrating to Oz, you can get any relo to sponsor you out there. Now, plenty of brits have relos out there.... You just have to be nice to them to get them to sign the bit of paper
It's easy to target Aussies, females, martians, any body for why it's hard to get a job. It's been hard to get a first job in any country for about 20-30 years. Unfortunately the flying schools won't tell you that.
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WWW I agree with your scenario. What I am interested to see how the airlines deal with the experience shortage created by foreign crew returning home. I'm not sure that us UK wannabes will feel much effect from this as I don't think the UK wannabe pool will have the experience to meet the shortage.
Many airlines seem to recognise the coming shortage, however with airline bottom lines not being great in the good times, and being awful at the moment, few if any of them want to take on the training risk and spend any money in fixing it.
What I can see happening is the airlines crying to the CAA and the government asking them to issue more work permits to experienced crew from overseas to fill their 'shortage'. Of course this will be ironic, because it will be a shortage of the airlines own making, caused by their unwillingness to provide the career paths for locals to develop that experience in the first place.
Let me just re-iterate that, in the light of Scroggs comments and the fact that these issues are sensitive, I do not bear any individual person any grudge whatsoever if they come and fly here. It would be hypocritical of me to do so, because if I were in their position I would do the same!
Many airlines seem to recognise the coming shortage, however with airline bottom lines not being great in the good times, and being awful at the moment, few if any of them want to take on the training risk and spend any money in fixing it.
What I can see happening is the airlines crying to the CAA and the government asking them to issue more work permits to experienced crew from overseas to fill their 'shortage'. Of course this will be ironic, because it will be a shortage of the airlines own making, caused by their unwillingness to provide the career paths for locals to develop that experience in the first place.
Let me just re-iterate that, in the light of Scroggs comments and the fact that these issues are sensitive, I do not bear any individual person any grudge whatsoever if they come and fly here. It would be hypocritical of me to do so, because if I were in their position I would do the same!
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I don’t think anyone begrudges individual pilots going where the work is, but is it really in our best interest for, as I perceive it, experienced, type rated pilots coming in from abroad, taking jobs that could otherwise be filled by homegrown wannabes just starting out their careers?
You can’t blame hard pressed airlines for saying thank you very much when pennies fall from heaven, after all, it saves them the risk and expense of giving someone’s aviation career a kick start, but I argue we need our politicians, regulators and trade unions to protect our interests more strongly.
You can’t blame hard pressed airlines for saying thank you very much when pennies fall from heaven, after all, it saves them the risk and expense of giving someone’s aviation career a kick start, but I argue we need our politicians, regulators and trade unions to protect our interests more strongly.
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Aussie relos/UK vs Mainland Europe
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I checked on the Australian Immigration Web Site, as I was hoping for family sponsorship with many relatives there. No such luck, only a parent or someone to whom you are the last living relative count, so I am out of luck. If you know different for sure, please let me know - thanks.
Euro Pilots coming to the UK
I have spent most of the last 20 years working in what is now the EC, and in every case, the local populations are immersed in English - In Sweden for example, much of their daily TV on the main channels is in English. No average UK resident could hope to gain the same level of competence in another language unless they lived in the foreign country.
Why is the UK different from say Germany? Basically, because English is just about everybody else's 2nd. Language. There may be a few countries with German as a second language, but not even on the same scale. Put it another way, there are 375 miillion people in Europe most of whom will have English as a second language. If only 5% of those have fluent English, that is around 18 million people with good enough English to seek work in the UK realistically. Conversely. my experience is that apart from Swiss and Austrians, the percentage of other Europeans who have German as a second language is very low, even where it is, they are not immersed in the languiage through the media.
In consequence German Student Pilots have less competition for jobs in Lufthansa from other Europeans than UK students do for jobs with (say) BA.
In summary, this discriminates on UK pilots in 2 ways
1) No real chance for average uk student to have same level of foreign language skill without moving, (or have a parent from that country), so realistic chance of a job in mainland Europe = tiny
2) Potential number of competitors from other countries in the pilot's home market far higher within the UK than in other individual European countries
As mentioned earlier, I travel extensively within Europe, and it was something that struck me when I hear the pilot or FO make the welcome speech. Regular UK airline flights have foreign accents at the wheel. My German is good enough to recognise that most Lufthansa flights are crewed by Germans.
Probably not politically correct, so if that upsets anyone sorry, just how I see it. Whether the Europeans want to work here is another matter.
This is what happens in any market where unemployment is a problem. Within IT for example, there is now a lot of complaints that many IT jobs for UK nationals are disappearing as software development moves abroad.
My $0.02 worth, its tuff out there. Good luck all wherever you come from.
I checked on the Australian Immigration Web Site, as I was hoping for family sponsorship with many relatives there. No such luck, only a parent or someone to whom you are the last living relative count, so I am out of luck. If you know different for sure, please let me know - thanks.
Euro Pilots coming to the UK
I have spent most of the last 20 years working in what is now the EC, and in every case, the local populations are immersed in English - In Sweden for example, much of their daily TV on the main channels is in English. No average UK resident could hope to gain the same level of competence in another language unless they lived in the foreign country.
Why is the UK different from say Germany? Basically, because English is just about everybody else's 2nd. Language. There may be a few countries with German as a second language, but not even on the same scale. Put it another way, there are 375 miillion people in Europe most of whom will have English as a second language. If only 5% of those have fluent English, that is around 18 million people with good enough English to seek work in the UK realistically. Conversely. my experience is that apart from Swiss and Austrians, the percentage of other Europeans who have German as a second language is very low, even where it is, they are not immersed in the languiage through the media.
In consequence German Student Pilots have less competition for jobs in Lufthansa from other Europeans than UK students do for jobs with (say) BA.
In summary, this discriminates on UK pilots in 2 ways
1) No real chance for average uk student to have same level of foreign language skill without moving, (or have a parent from that country), so realistic chance of a job in mainland Europe = tiny
2) Potential number of competitors from other countries in the pilot's home market far higher within the UK than in other individual European countries
As mentioned earlier, I travel extensively within Europe, and it was something that struck me when I hear the pilot or FO make the welcome speech. Regular UK airline flights have foreign accents at the wheel. My German is good enough to recognise that most Lufthansa flights are crewed by Germans.
Probably not politically correct, so if that upsets anyone sorry, just how I see it. Whether the Europeans want to work here is another matter.
This is what happens in any market where unemployment is a problem. Within IT for example, there is now a lot of complaints that many IT jobs for UK nationals are disappearing as software development moves abroad.
My $0.02 worth, its tuff out there. Good luck all wherever you come from.
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>>I have heard pilots on pprune say they apply to all
>>different airlines around Europe but all these airlines
>>require their own country of licence, for Lufthansa,
>>you need a German ATPL which is what...different
>>from the JAA licence? Can you apply to different
>>airlines around Europe with a JAR?
germany passed the JAR/FCL in december 2002. JAR/FCL are becoming effective on april 1, 2003.
so jar/fcl seems to be the licence to get.
regards from loww, vie (vienna, austria)
wolfgang
from a still jar/fcl free country - wonder, how long we are going to stand that ;-))
>>different airlines around Europe but all these airlines
>>require their own country of licence, for Lufthansa,
>>you need a German ATPL which is what...different
>>from the JAA licence? Can you apply to different
>>airlines around Europe with a JAR?
germany passed the JAR/FCL in december 2002. JAR/FCL are becoming effective on april 1, 2003.
so jar/fcl seems to be the licence to get.
regards from loww, vie (vienna, austria)
wolfgang
from a still jar/fcl free country - wonder, how long we are going to stand that ;-))
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European employment law allows the nationals of any EU country to work in any and all of the other countries of the EU. It is illegal within the EU to discriminate on grounds of nationality, but it's not (as far as I am aware) illegal to discriminate on grounds of language.
As for experienced pilots from non-EU countries, BALPA is watching carefully for any situations where employers may try to illegally employ experienced foreign pilots at the expense of EU nationals. British Commonwealth nationals and others with the hereditary rights to work and live in UK do not have the right to work anywhere else within the EU.
Justlookin, out of the 375 million EU nationals, I can think of at least 60 million that have English as a first language. Your 5% of the remaining 315 million gives 15.75 million with good enough English to work here.
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As for experienced pilots from non-EU countries, BALPA is watching carefully for any situations where employers may try to illegally employ experienced foreign pilots at the expense of EU nationals. British Commonwealth nationals and others with the hereditary rights to work and live in UK do not have the right to work anywhere else within the EU.
Justlookin, out of the 375 million EU nationals, I can think of at least 60 million that have English as a first language. Your 5% of the remaining 315 million gives 15.75 million with good enough English to work here.
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