Ryanair pilots being hired with minimum hours?
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Ryanair pilots being hired with minimum hours?
I have heard on the net(that o-so reliable source!)that Ryanair have been employing pilots lately with minimum hours and intend to do so for a little while yet.Is this reliable info?
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I have heard similar things on the grapevine. Basically I think that although they went down the route of only wanting applicants with 300 '737' hours it seems that they have now had a slight change of heart. On thier website it now states that 1500hours will now be accepted without the type rating.
This is still relatively high, but once again through the grapevine I have heard that people with many less hours have been hired when they have been willing to pay for the type rating. So, it is worth a shot no matter how many hours you have, just be prepared to stump up the cash first. After all though it is a 737 job with loads of hours to be expected, perfect for us wannabes!
This is still relatively high, but once again through the grapevine I have heard that people with many less hours have been hired when they have been willing to pay for the type rating. So, it is worth a shot no matter how many hours you have, just be prepared to stump up the cash first. After all though it is a 737 job with loads of hours to be expected, perfect for us wannabes!
They rocked up at OATS one day out of the blue and took 2 courses who had to pay their own type rating. I don't think its a wider move.
Probably just MOL in an odd mood.
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Probably just MOL in an odd mood.
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Cheers guys!Something for us extreme wannabes(no hours!)to aim for! A 737 type rating would cost around 20k I guess?And is there one universal 737 type rating or are the individual ones such as 731,732/733,4,5/6,7,8,9?
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Do 'hours' count as just 'real' hours or do they include simulation time as well?
A 737 type rating would cost around 20k I guess?And is there one universal 737 type rating or are the individual ones such as 731,732/733,4,5/6,7,8,9?Thanks very much,Alex
Do 'hours' count as just 'real' hours or do they include simulation time as well?
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I went to an interview at GECAT middle of this year where there were about 25 of us being interviewed for positions at Ryanair. None of us had Type Ratings and nearly all of the candidates were OATS trained. They were all expected to pay for their type ratings.
Nearly all the candidates there were of minimum hours and some had around the 300 hour figures in their logbooks.
The interview with the Ryanair rep took about 15-20 minutes and was very laid back.
Although I did not get the job there were some great guys there who did get taken on and I wish them all the best of luck.
Nearly all the candidates there were of minimum hours and some had around the 300 hour figures in their logbooks.
The interview with the Ryanair rep took about 15-20 minutes and was very laid back.
Although I did not get the job there were some great guys there who did get taken on and I wish them all the best of luck.
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Latest deal,
Pass the interview and sim check, go into a holding pool for a course, pay 28,000 euro, do the type rating and complete line training in 60 sectors, should be offered a job at the end of it.
No pay until base check complete, then half sector pay for six months. Basic wage depends on hrs.
Sound like a Bargain.
Pass the interview and sim check, go into a holding pool for a course, pay 28,000 euro, do the type rating and complete line training in 60 sectors, should be offered a job at the end of it.
No pay until base check complete, then half sector pay for six months. Basic wage depends on hrs.
Sound like a Bargain.
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Thanks a lot guys,
I guess the 733-738 rating is more valuable to FR with their 200s retirement approaching.
Kirks,
If I was in the situation,I would take that deal in an eye-blink!
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I guess the 733-738 rating is more valuable to FR with their 200s retirement approaching.
Kirks,
If I was in the situation,I would take that deal in an eye-blink!
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Ryanair minimum hours requirement
The Ryanair website does not say 1500hrs minimum.
What it does say:
MINIMUM CRITERIA
European or JAA ATPL
Unrestricted right to work anywhere within the EU
Boeing 737 Type-Rating (minimum 300 hours on type)
- OR
A minimum of 1000 hours on JAR 25 aircraft.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news for flying intructors etc who might have 1500hrs and hoping for a way into Ryan, but it does mean many turbo prop guys will be applying, and that will free up places down the line for others - hopefully.
What it does say:
MINIMUM CRITERIA
European or JAA ATPL
Unrestricted right to work anywhere within the EU
Boeing 737 Type-Rating (minimum 300 hours on type)
- OR
A minimum of 1000 hours on JAR 25 aircraft.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news for flying intructors etc who might have 1500hrs and hoping for a way into Ryan, but it does mean many turbo prop guys will be applying, and that will free up places down the line for others - hopefully.
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Ok.......here is a million dollar question. What about people with say 2500 TT all multi turbine on smaller turbo props like BE20's etc? Is Ryan gonna say no? Be kinda funny if they did given the airline has taken on pilots with under 200 hours.....
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Canadian Kid,
Highly unlikely given the recent change of policy. Have you read the bit from Avenger under "Hope for low hrs pilots", it explains why FR have gone down this route.
Long way to come for an interview!, but hope it works out if you do.
I know Declan was in the UK for two days last week at East Mids interviewing, feedback says there were a few guys already typed there and most of the rest met the requirements.
Other problem seems to be dovetailing the 200 to NG upgrade course with the full type course. Never enough capacity to train so if you don't meet the reqs not much chance.
Roper.. spot on with the observation.
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Highly unlikely given the recent change of policy. Have you read the bit from Avenger under "Hope for low hrs pilots", it explains why FR have gone down this route.
Long way to come for an interview!, but hope it works out if you do.
I know Declan was in the UK for two days last week at East Mids interviewing, feedback says there were a few guys already typed there and most of the rest met the requirements.
Other problem seems to be dovetailing the 200 to NG upgrade course with the full type course. Never enough capacity to train so if you don't meet the reqs not much chance.
Roper.. spot on with the observation.
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Having spoken to most of the instructors in my school. They all seem to end up in Ryanair. Although the thoughts of working for a company for upwards of 6 months without been paid and not even guaranteed a full time job is not really appealing! MOL know that they can get pilots applying for **** all money, why do you think hes always smiling!>!>
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There are lots of jobs in Ryanair 13 aircraft on the way between now and next summer and approximately 20 aircraft the following.
Ryanair takes a blend of Pilots with different experience:
(1) 737 Type Rated Captains and F\Os -
(2) Low hours route through CAE or GECAT (Other training Organisations may replace CAE and GECAT for next years intake which commences April 2003). They run Ryanair approved courses if there are 4 people on the course it means there are four vacancies to be filled. You pay for your type rating directly and you receive a training contract with Ryanair. You start to get paid when you complete your line check .
(3) Experienced non type rated Bonded for three years and on a non rated pay scale. You start to get paid after the base check. Or if you do a type rating course with a training organisation approved by Ryanair you go onto a rated scale with no bond.
The present situation is that we will not be taking low hours people until early 2003.
We are due to announce another new base in January - but we need to start recruiting now. Ideally if you have the flexibility on base location then we will take you on a contract in the short, medium or long term until our internal manpower requirements are ironed out i.e. promotions, transfers and conversions from the 200. If you are type rated and flexible even better. Contract pilots will be given preference over external applicants for positions created by new bases.
We will have a number of Pilot roadshows throughout Europe in the coming weeks. Copenhagen tomorrow Wednesday 20th at the Radison Hotel and Cologne next Wednesday 27th. You will need 1000 JAR 25 hours dont waste your time if you dont have this.
Ryanair takes a blend of Pilots with different experience:
(1) 737 Type Rated Captains and F\Os -
(2) Low hours route through CAE or GECAT (Other training Organisations may replace CAE and GECAT for next years intake which commences April 2003). They run Ryanair approved courses if there are 4 people on the course it means there are four vacancies to be filled. You pay for your type rating directly and you receive a training contract with Ryanair. You start to get paid when you complete your line check .
(3) Experienced non type rated Bonded for three years and on a non rated pay scale. You start to get paid after the base check. Or if you do a type rating course with a training organisation approved by Ryanair you go onto a rated scale with no bond.
The present situation is that we will not be taking low hours people until early 2003.
We are due to announce another new base in January - but we need to start recruiting now. Ideally if you have the flexibility on base location then we will take you on a contract in the short, medium or long term until our internal manpower requirements are ironed out i.e. promotions, transfers and conversions from the 200. If you are type rated and flexible even better. Contract pilots will be given preference over external applicants for positions created by new bases.
We will have a number of Pilot roadshows throughout Europe in the coming weeks. Copenhagen tomorrow Wednesday 20th at the Radison Hotel and Cologne next Wednesday 27th. You will need 1000 JAR 25 hours dont waste your time if you dont have this.
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quote from experienced captain " it takes 2 years before any of us are happy sitting next to a F/O with only a handful of hours. After all the primary function of a co-pilot is to assume command should the captain be incapacitated. Few if any new graduates have the experience in order to do so. I and many of my collegues check out the crew roster BEFORE putting friends and family on a flight. The powers that be are getting it wrong and going for the cheapest rather than the best option. What we need is a return to the system where you had to get some experience before taking on a wide body. When the s**t hits the fan its the only way to know that someone isnt going to crack up under the pressure"
Can this experienced Captain point us to a single CAA or AAIB report in which FO lack of hours was felt to be in any way an issue in an incident or accident? After all they have been putting Cadets in jets for 30+ years now...
And letting Military pilots fly both large and fast jets into combat with only a couple of hundred hours!
Get over it.
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And letting Military pilots fly both large and fast jets into combat with only a couple of hundred hours!
Get over it.
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