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Britannia FO recruitment
Hi all,
REF: Britannia First Officer recruitment
Just wondered if anyone on here has received a 'no thanks' letter from Britannia.
The interviews are being held week beginning 11/11/02 (today) and I am pretty brassed off that so far my application has gone completely unacknowledged. I have not yet received any sort of letter despite me submitting the huge application form well in advance of the closing date.
If i'm unsuccessful i'm unsuccessful - this I accept.
What is disappointing is not even being informed - either way.
All thoughts/views I am interested to see.
REF: Britannia First Officer recruitment
Just wondered if anyone on here has received a 'no thanks' letter from Britannia.
The interviews are being held week beginning 11/11/02 (today) and I am pretty brassed off that so far my application has gone completely unacknowledged. I have not yet received any sort of letter despite me submitting the huge application form well in advance of the closing date.
If i'm unsuccessful i'm unsuccessful - this I accept.
What is disappointing is not even being informed - either way.
All thoughts/views I am interested to see.
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At a guess, by submitting your form so early, you got to the bottom of the stack- comparing notes with some friends, it seems that the earlier they put their forms in, the later their assessment dates are!
By the look of things, they are being very thorough with this recruitment; until they say no, you're still in with a chance...
By the look of things, they are being very thorough with this recruitment; until they say no, you're still in with a chance...
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Still waiting for my call. We've been told to expect interview dates (hold Pool) on 26/27November but no confirmation as yet.
Do you mean to say the assessment dates are this week or the interview dates?
we are following D/E selection on this Thread:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=70642
Do you mean to say the assessment dates are this week or the interview dates?
we are following D/E selection on this Thread:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=70642
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What I`ve found to be the case is that more often than not the companies will not acknowledge you unless you have the minimums or they want to keep your application on file.
Don`t get your mind set on just one company, send applications to everybody!!!
Don`t get your mind set on just one company, send applications to everybody!!!
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"more often than not the companies will not acknowledge you unless you have the minimums or they want to keep your application on file."
I responded to the advertisement on their website, which stated no minimums. Yes, ideally you would be 757-rated, but that was clearly not a requirement.
I spent a great deal of time carefully filling out a pretty ridiculously long application form, having a passport photo taken and posting the application to Britannia.
I met the minimum criteria, and therefore expect a response (like RobinHood said - either way, a response is a response!). To not respond would simply be downright rude.
Don't get me wrong here - I'm not saying I should have had a response by now - simply that I expect to receive one.
I responded to the advertisement on their website, which stated no minimums. Yes, ideally you would be 757-rated, but that was clearly not a requirement.
I spent a great deal of time carefully filling out a pretty ridiculously long application form, having a passport photo taken and posting the application to Britannia.
I met the minimum criteria, and therefore expect a response (like RobinHood said - either way, a response is a response!). To not respond would simply be downright rude.
Don't get me wrong here - I'm not saying I should have had a response by now - simply that I expect to receive one.
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You`re right. A response is a response, and you should expect to get one from a company which is advertising, and yes, it is rude. I`ve had a couple of those no-response companies the last year. At first it p!$$ed me off, but now I see a response as an acknowledgement of existance in this harsh world of aviation. Just don`t let it get to you, and try not to hold a grudge - you could possibly be working for the company sometime down the line.
Since you ideally needed a 757 rating, you should expect to have some people in front of you in the hiring pool, that is if you don`t have one yourself. That`s just the way it is. And another fact of aviation is that it often comes down to recommendations and who you know.
Since you ideally needed a 757 rating, you should expect to have some people in front of you in the hiring pool, that is if you don`t have one yourself. That`s just the way it is. And another fact of aviation is that it often comes down to recommendations and who you know.
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I understand that Britannia took on 5 CTC cadets on during the summer all DUTCH, again another UK based airline recruiting non nationals. 
Britannia want 30 FOs this time, lets hope they have the sense to employ at least one UK national
Britannia want 30 FOs this time, lets hope they have the sense to employ at least one UK national
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EPLS,
Are you sure all the CTC cadets taken on by Brits were Dutch? The reason I ask is that I understood that at least a few were Cabair Instructors who had passed the CTC scheme. However, the issue of foreign nationals flying for UK airlines is an important one and has yet to be addressed.
Are you sure all the CTC cadets taken on by Brits were Dutch? The reason I ask is that I understood that at least a few were Cabair Instructors who had passed the CTC scheme. However, the issue of foreign nationals flying for UK airlines is an important one and has yet to be addressed.
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why are you mad if Britannia hires non UK pilots?.JAA FCL have been set for this reason. and you can apply in Holland if you wish.
a pilot from New york can apply in California under the FAA system and noone complain, ...it would be nice if we can do the same thing here.what do you think?
Think: EUROPE!
Good luck to all guys applying with Britannia!(Britannia will answer to all of you. )
a pilot from New york can apply in California under the FAA system and noone complain, ...it would be nice if we can do the same thing here.what do you think?
Think: EUROPE!
Good luck to all guys applying with Britannia!(Britannia will answer to all of you. )
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BY NO WAY
Worked for them, but I would rather give up flying than to work for them again.
Join Easy or Ryan at least you get a fast command, with BY you wait 15 years and trust me that are very sad years.
Join Easy or Ryan at least you get a fast command, with BY you wait 15 years and trust me that are very sad years.
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Faacfi,
Ever tried applying to a French registred airline? Try it and then tell me that other countries subscribe to your idea of European integration. JAA, in theory a nice idea, is in reality an ineffectual joke.
Ever tried applying to a French registred airline? Try it and then tell me that other countries subscribe to your idea of European integration. JAA, in theory a nice idea, is in reality an ineffectual joke.
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Considering DU vs UO's post, I'd like to offer an alternative opinion about working for Britannia: I am a year 5 F/O with them.
Yes, it is a long time to command, but most people that join BY stay with them for the rest of their career; although I am still a number of years away from promotion, I will hopefully have 20-25 years in the left hand seat.
You have good control over your lifestyle; for a start, you have a choice of 10 airports to be based at in the U.K. (BRS, CWL, GLA, MAN, LTN, LGW, BHX, STN, EMA, NCL). There is the option to do either long and shorthaul flying or shorthaul only, plus voluntary overseas postings in the wintertime (5 or 10 weeks based in Singapore with your family if you fancy that at the beginning of 2003).
We have very stable rosters, thanks to a -2/+2 block window, and I currently know what I am doing up to mid December. Being a holiday airline, the wintertime is fairly quiet (just 8 days' work rostered for me this month!), providing a chance to recover from the busier summer season or pursue other interests if you so desire (a number of pilots have their own businesses).
The flying we do is fairly straightforward; shorthaul will almost always be just 2 sectors for a day's work (ok, could be Geneva & back or Tenerife & back; that's just the luck of the draw!) in a very pleasant aircraft that is way over-powered for the job (like a trip down to the newsagents in the Jag, someone once said!)
Plus we still have a final salary pension scheme, decent pay scales plus a number of other fringe benefits (flexible working scheme, loss of licence protection, etc.); I took home £3,729 last month for 47 hours flying (18 sectors).
Sure, you won't get a fast command with Britannia, but, from my experience, your time in the right hand seat is anything but "sad". And No, I'm not a management pilot!!!
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Oh yes, the CTC guys weren't all Dutch, by the way; the chap I met in September was from good old Blighty!
Yes, it is a long time to command, but most people that join BY stay with them for the rest of their career; although I am still a number of years away from promotion, I will hopefully have 20-25 years in the left hand seat.
You have good control over your lifestyle; for a start, you have a choice of 10 airports to be based at in the U.K. (BRS, CWL, GLA, MAN, LTN, LGW, BHX, STN, EMA, NCL). There is the option to do either long and shorthaul flying or shorthaul only, plus voluntary overseas postings in the wintertime (5 or 10 weeks based in Singapore with your family if you fancy that at the beginning of 2003).
We have very stable rosters, thanks to a -2/+2 block window, and I currently know what I am doing up to mid December. Being a holiday airline, the wintertime is fairly quiet (just 8 days' work rostered for me this month!), providing a chance to recover from the busier summer season or pursue other interests if you so desire (a number of pilots have their own businesses).
The flying we do is fairly straightforward; shorthaul will almost always be just 2 sectors for a day's work (ok, could be Geneva & back or Tenerife & back; that's just the luck of the draw!) in a very pleasant aircraft that is way over-powered for the job (like a trip down to the newsagents in the Jag, someone once said!)
Plus we still have a final salary pension scheme, decent pay scales plus a number of other fringe benefits (flexible working scheme, loss of licence protection, etc.); I took home £3,729 last month for 47 hours flying (18 sectors).
Sure, you won't get a fast command with Britannia, but, from my experience, your time in the right hand seat is anything but "sad". And No, I'm not a management pilot!!!
x
Oh yes, the CTC guys weren't all Dutch, by the way; the chap I met in September was from good old Blighty!
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Britannia did take on 5 Dutch CTC Pilots plus yesterday Air 2000 interviewed 7 CTC Cadets of which only 2 were British, lets hope to god the Brits got a look in.
JAR and the European employment is a great thing but just read any advert for KLM that states you must be fluent in Dutch. I have a friend that has just landed a job with Air France again the only reason he got the job was he had both UK and a French passport. Unfortunately employers are very short sighted in the UK and with no effective union (I am a member of Balpa) continue to employ non-nationals when many many good UK pilots remain unemployed. Easyjet and Go both employed many ex Sabena pilots, do you think these pilots will stay in the UK for long. These non nationals will be seeking employment in their own country and will at very short notice move back to wherever leaving Easyjet or Britannia to pick up the pieces at short notice.
If you are looking for work and find your potential job has been taken by a type rated Croatian then write to your MP or Join Balpa and force them to do something (HUH)
Regards
Britannia did take on 5 Dutch CTC Pilots plus yesterday Air 2000 interviewed 7 CTC Cadets of which only 2 were British, lets hope to god the Brits got a look in.
JAR and the European employment is a great thing but just read any advert for KLM that states you must be fluent in Dutch. I have a friend that has just landed a job with Air France again the only reason he got the job was he had both UK and a French passport. Unfortunately employers are very short sighted in the UK and with no effective union (I am a member of Balpa) continue to employ non-nationals when many many good UK pilots remain unemployed. Easyjet and Go both employed many ex Sabena pilots, do you think these pilots will stay in the UK for long. These non nationals will be seeking employment in their own country and will at very short notice move back to wherever leaving Easyjet or Britannia to pick up the pieces at short notice.
If you are looking for work and find your potential job has been taken by a type rated Croatian then write to your MP or Join Balpa and force them to do something (HUH)
Regards
Re "X"s posting. The company has looked after me very well afetr my recent cancer scares. It is always a good measure of an employer to see what they do when the proverbial hits the fan. No complaints on that score for me.
As for the workload. I'm above him in the seniority list and took home about £2550 last month, have just completed a 53:35 duty hour week and will have flown 98 hours in 28 days. Depends veeeeery much which base you work from. Our winter roster is harder/longer than our summer roster. The benefits are greater at the overstaffed bases where you can pull in double money from selling days-off back to the company.
Regardless, we get paid for sitting on our asses all day with almost no threat of redundancy!
As for the workload. I'm above him in the seniority list and took home about £2550 last month, have just completed a 53:35 duty hour week and will have flown 98 hours in 28 days. Depends veeeeery much which base you work from. Our winter roster is harder/longer than our summer roster. The benefits are greater at the overstaffed bases where you can pull in double money from selling days-off back to the company.
Regardless, we get paid for sitting on our asses all day with almost no threat of redundancy!
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faacfi,
Take your cause to IBERIA (2 non spanish), Alitalia, Air France etc- it wont be long before your europe argument falls flat. IT's ONLY the UK who welcomes EUROPEAN pilots in for employment. Not a bad thing- I just wish this thing EUROPE existed and life would be so dandy.
Take your cause to IBERIA (2 non spanish), Alitalia, Air France etc- it wont be long before your europe argument falls flat. IT's ONLY the UK who welcomes EUROPEAN pilots in for employment. Not a bad thing- I just wish this thing EUROPE existed and life would be so dandy.
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Why Air France, IBERIA, ALITALIA...only take nationals ?
Simply because non nationals just can't speak fluently the language of the company and it's a prequisite !!
Now why there's so much non nationals in UK ? You're right : it's because French, Dutch, Spanish.... DO SPEAK ENGLISH VERY WELL.
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A French wannabee
Simply because non nationals just can't speak fluently the language of the company and it's a prequisite !!
Now why there's so much non nationals in UK ? You're right : it's because French, Dutch, Spanish.... DO SPEAK ENGLISH VERY WELL.
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A French wannabee
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EPLS,
No it is you who are wrong. I fly for Britannia as well and have met several of the CTC pilots taken on in the summer and they were all British.
Besides, who really cares anyway? Only those who can't get jobs and are desperate to pin the blame on anyone but themselves, that's who.
Lazlo
No it is you who are wrong. I fly for Britannia as well and have met several of the CTC pilots taken on in the summer and they were all British.
Besides, who really cares anyway? Only those who can't get jobs and are desperate to pin the blame on anyone but themselves, that's who.
Lazlo